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today on the show political analyst

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host of the fault lines podcast and host

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of the progressive soapbox youtube

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channel jamal

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this is somewhere in the skies with ryan

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spread

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thank you so much for joining me for the

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very first time on somewhere in the

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skies

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absolutely man thank you for the invite

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of course i i found you through

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lou over at the unidentified celebrity

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review

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and um i've just been following your

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work ever since man

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and as soon as i heard you talking about

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uap i was like oh

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he's in now he's got to come on my show

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so no the pleasure is online well it's

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funny

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it feels like i've been invited in from

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the code because i've done i've covered

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the uap the ufo uap whatever you want to

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call it subject for a while

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yeah and but i never felt like i was

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part of

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any kind of community with it it was

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just kind of like okay you're

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doing politics but you're also covering

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the uap

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and it's that but it's it's own thing

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it's very weird it's very strange but

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eventually

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when i i felt like i was bleeding from

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the code in this kind of weird way

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um like i interviewed grant cameron i

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interviewed stephen bassett

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but eventually i was able to interview

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elizondo

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um nick pope like i was able to

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interview some

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big names that was in the industry but

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still it felt like it was kind of on the

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outside

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but no after doing the live stream with

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lou it felt like

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um david beatty came on dave beatty came

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on all right

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he's been a recurring person um so yeah

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it's been it's been very weird and

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headache recently i mean because it does

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feel like okay you're part of the ufo

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twitter community now

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i guess my point is thank you for the

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invite i appreciate of course man well

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you picked a hell of a time to really

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get involved and we will definitely get

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there but um

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my first question always for new time

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guests and you're probably

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used to this one by now how'd you get

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interested in ufos where did your

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interest in this uh

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topic this phenomenon where did it truly

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start um

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if you're willing to share i know i

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could be i don't like sharing no

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no i'm not trying i've shared before um

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i started this from the other side of

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the uap thing i wasn't with you a piece

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i was in

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the new ag stuff when i was like 18 and

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19. and it was kind of like when i was a

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i used to have this thing where it would

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feel like something would walk into the

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room and sit on the bed

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scare the hell out of me and he would do

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that for like years

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um as i got older i got really

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interested in this notion of

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um is there something else and coming

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across people who say okay there's such

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things as spirit guides is like okay

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is it real and if so how do you evaluate

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it that type of stuff

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and for me it was always tested it may

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be um

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real on this kind of um subjective level

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that you can't necessarily

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prove in this kind of that type of stuff

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you know you get into this mind space of

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there even if i can't necessarily touch

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um somewhere along the way i got really

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like freaked me out in my life out of

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about the ufo stuff and especially when

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i got more sophisticated about thinking

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about the previous experience i had when

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i was younger with um

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spirit guys and that type of stuff

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and for me it was okay it's not enough

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to believe it it's more so you want to

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like knowing is different if that makes

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sense like um

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so my thing was okay i've started to

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read everything like the aliens eating

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babies i went through all that oh

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there's a secret base

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where they're doing experiments on human

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beings where they're jabbing what's up i

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went through all that and eventually i

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got to the point of um you believe what

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you can defend

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like meaning there's no point in having

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this stuff out there where you can't

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defend it um the other part of that was

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thing was okay how do you evaluate

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whether it's real

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really get into it there is almost a

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and contact methods for ufos this

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one-to-one i swear to god

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even from standpoint of abductions when

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people are talking about

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abductions well if you've ever had a obe

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feel and sound almost the same not in

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every case some cases are physical

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phenomena and everything else

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and people hate it when people say that

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but it is honest to god true

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i've had abductions i've had this kind

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of contact with spirit guides where

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having this meeting and then there's

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these weird after effects and stuff like

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it sounds a lot like a ufo stuff and so

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it's like it's really heavy stuff now

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that freaked my wife out

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because my wife was like she was like

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look because i was doing meditations and

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everything i was i was

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like four boys like all right give it

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give it due diligence to see whether you

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can prove it my wife was like look it's

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not that i believe it but

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keep in mind there's two of us here and

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if anything happens

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chance

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that works um just be aware we're not

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you know we're not alone

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um it was weird phenomenal and stuff

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subjective experience from meaning it's

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hard to know whether your subconscious

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is screwing with you

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she was like oh i don't remember that

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now i was like whatever

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but like weird phenomena starts to

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get really weird but beyond that point

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is it true can you evaluate it and just

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of trying to evaluate the spirit gut

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stuff i was kind of in the head space of

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is there anybody out there that goes

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mission rama knows one stephen griers

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and ce5 which basically is mission rama

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and like i said the techniques are

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it's bizarre and i think it's more

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bizarre for me

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what what did you contact it's that

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because it's like if you the spirit guy

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thing was interesting

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i um i came across this is dating me

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the psychic serial brown and silvia

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brown people were like god man she's so

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full of it

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with one exception though she says if

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you want to experience it you can

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experience this yourself

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well for me that's like yes let's do

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that i mean you've just told me

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something utterly phenomenal and if that

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phenomenal thing is true

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reality that

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um in a way that we operate and so i was

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like all right i've read i bought a book

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said all right let's do this meditations

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that i had a fear hurdle like i would

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hit this point where i felt like i was

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plugged into an electrical outlet i

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could feel like it was charged

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and i was freaked out i was like okay i

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screw that and i would do that for like

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just let it happen and i hear something

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my head and i hear something beside my

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bed say hello a woman's voice

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audibly hello um the very next day now

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at this point i am so excited

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but i'm flooded with questions like who

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are you what's your name et cetera blah

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female um older woman and

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not to go through the experience but i

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am standing there i'm hyperventilating

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because i'm freaking out

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because this is very weird and heady and

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i'm thinking i'm just me

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you see something just walk through a

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wall you're like oh my god what the [\h__\h]

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somebody gives me a bag and says go over

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and i go over like a move over i'm

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hyperventilating and a woman

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comes up and she says my name is

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so-and-so i can't remember her name

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she says i'm your exposer now this takes

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place when i'm like 19 years old

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and i am blown away by this like blown

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away in a weird like in a

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mind-blowing state and she gets closer

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and closer and eventually i'm like oh my

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god i'm about to be molested by this

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older woman

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but what happens is she emerges herself

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with me like

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she her body merges into mind meaning

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it's not a real body you're not really

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there like or

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you're really there but there's a body

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somewhere else that you know there's

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somewhere else

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but she is merging herself into you and

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there's this like amazing elation

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associated with it

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um at the end of the experience she says

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you're evolving

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and she tells me that when she was there

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she had to work out with her weight

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now this one is a weird one and i was

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like what how weird

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arbitrary is that but it's not arbitrary

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at the time i was freaked out about my

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weight because i was

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i had lost a lot of weight i wanted to

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maintain a weight thing but the way i

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looked at it she

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it wasn't this thing of um i don't want

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to tell you one way or the other

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you have to choose it was that because

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meaning if i say hey you need to work

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out that's a tr that's telling me

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something

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and in the head space that i was in at

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the time was like oh my god

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she told me to do this but it's too much

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right and so

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with me it has to be this kind of like

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gentle

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this is what i did do what you want it

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has me that

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i i like i have poured over that

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experience and poured out every

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goddamn detail of that thing like

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nobody's business but the moment that

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you have something like that

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um your tenor on reality and

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what's true changes right the changes

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the physical stuff

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yes purpose all that stuff and it's like

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yes you have a point of view when you're

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arguing in a political space because at

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that point i would make the argument

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that

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because it's a political argument i

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don't need the secular part of it

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but from the standpoint of what i

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believe is different and what i believe

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is i have no

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effing clue what she

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is now at the time i would say that's my

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spirit guide and then when you think

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about it's like oh god you're so naive

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what does that need to mean what does

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that even mean why are you here

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who are you are you a figment of my

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subconscious like all of that stuff

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comes into play the catch is i never

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knew what the word exposure

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meant i had to look it up when i woke up

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i'd look it up

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like i i literally honestly i forgot her

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name because i kept

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repeating the term exposure in my head i

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was like exposed positive exposure don't

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forget to remember that yeah

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yeah i was out clung to that thing like

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dear life

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um and the first second day when i woke

370
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up went to the computer plugged it in

371
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yeah it's it's like when you get that

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other stuff that's weird it's very

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bizarre and i remember like that next

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two years

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i would have lucid dream states back to

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back to back it would never quit

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and i got to the point where i realized

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hey

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can you call for the person and it was

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like yes

381
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you can can you ask things yes

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now the catch becomes at a certain point

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it stopped like within two or three

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years the weird phenomenon stopped

385
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and i i got older and i started thinking

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to myself

387
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okay is it possible to do that

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in going maintaining consciousness

389
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meaning obese

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meaning because with the obe you don't

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lose ideally you don't lose

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there's a breaking consciousness whereas

393
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with the lucid dream state you break in

394
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consciousness in which case you're aware

395
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and then all of a sudden but it's hard

396
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to hold on to the tenor for that right

397
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and so at some point i started saying

398
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all right can i contact her

399
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on my own with a lucid dreams thing i

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mean with a obe

401
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and so i went into this thing it was

402
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like all right mission number two

403
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obese now my wife my dear poor wife

404
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has to go through all of these

405
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experiments right like so it's like when

406
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i'm

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when i get in the head space and so i

408
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push for it i started

409
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doing i started taking certain um herbs

410
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like

411
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certain things that help with

412
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um provoking or keeping consciousness or

413
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wakefulness

414
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um i started maintaining what is it

415
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maintaining a dream diary all this other

416
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stuff

417
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um i eventually got to the point where i

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could

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get into this state where your body goes

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to sleep

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and you are just kind of like keeping

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consciousness

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like your body's asleep and you're awake

424
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and it's like all right

425
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and then i realized i was still somewhat

426
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of a could i curse

427
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absolutely man i was still a bit of a

428
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[\h__\h] and so

429
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i would back away from it i would still

430
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get freaked out like because honestly it

431
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is very weird

432
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like you're like because what happens is

433
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as you as you

434
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as as your body goes to sleep your mind

435
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is still awake

436
00:14:09,829 --> 00:14:08,399
you start hearing weird stuff like like

437
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it's already weird because your body is

438
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asleep

439
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but you start hearing weird stuff like

440
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for me it was like hearing vacuum

441
00:14:17,509 --> 00:14:14,639
cleaners on the side

442
00:14:18,069 --> 00:14:17,519
um i thought i was hearing voices um i

443
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thought

444
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like it's very strange and it's so loud

445
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and it's so freaky

446
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that my first response was okay yeah

447
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like i had to itch my way to it and

448
00:14:31,590 --> 00:14:30,560
eventually i had to shame myself into

449
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going through with it

450
00:14:35,350 --> 00:14:33,680
like it was like listen don't be a [\h__\h]

451
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just keep going man just keep going

452
00:14:38,389 --> 00:14:36,720
you're already here you're right here

453
00:14:39,750 --> 00:14:38,399
just keep going and it's like

454
00:14:41,189 --> 00:14:39,760
don't freak out just keep it keep your

455
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head together keep your head together as

456
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it was that

457
00:14:44,949 --> 00:14:43,519
and so eventually you get to the state

458
00:14:46,629 --> 00:14:44,959
where my eyes are closed

459
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and then i realized hey i can see the

460
00:14:49,030 --> 00:14:48,000
room my eyes are closed but i'm looking

461
00:14:51,590 --> 00:14:49,040
at the room

462
00:14:53,269 --> 00:14:51,600
and at that point it's like all right

463
00:14:54,949 --> 00:14:53,279
don't think of anything weird

464
00:14:55,670 --> 00:14:54,959
it was it was that but at the point

465
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where you're saying don't think of

466
00:14:58,150 --> 00:14:57,279
anything weird you're [\h__\h] yourself

467
00:14:59,910 --> 00:14:58,160
over already right

468
00:15:01,030 --> 00:14:59,920
right that stuff and then that point is

469
00:15:01,509 --> 00:15:01,040
like all right back out back up you

470
00:15:09,430 --> 00:15:01,519
proved

471
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um um proof of concept it was that

472
00:15:14,550 --> 00:15:12,880
um yeah i i was i was

473
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the one that wanted to either

474
00:15:18,629 --> 00:15:16,880
demonstrate that it was false or not

475
00:15:20,069 --> 00:15:18,639
not because of posturing more so i

476
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wanted to know when knowing was

477
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different than just

478
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believing like even because honestly

479
00:15:26,790 --> 00:15:25,279
people could be experiencing things and

480
00:15:27,910 --> 00:15:26,800
those things could be entirely true for

481
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those people

482
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and it's like no it's not what they

483
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think it is but it's

484
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definitely not nothing if that makes

485
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sense yeah um

486
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as i got older and i got more cynical

487
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yeah i got more

488
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more to the point of interrogating that

489
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stuff and

490
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i god man my questions would be so

491
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different like when i was younger i was

492
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such a

493
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child it was like what's your name

494
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what's he heard like it was that like

495
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that type of stuff like what are

496
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like you of what is the meaning of life

497
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you know yeah

498
00:16:03,670 --> 00:16:00,160
right like you're just so shocked by

499
00:16:04,870 --> 00:16:03,680
oh my god i can't believe this is saying

500
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it was that

501
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like this can't be true this can't be

502
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right like if this is but then when you

503
00:16:11,269 --> 00:16:09,680
think about it why can't that be true

504
00:16:12,790 --> 00:16:11,279
like all of this is weird when you think

505
00:16:14,310 --> 00:16:12,800
about it we're just familiar with it

506
00:16:15,910 --> 00:16:14,320
it's familiarity that brings on this

507
00:16:17,670 --> 00:16:15,920
notion that this is not strange all of

508
00:16:18,629 --> 00:16:17,680
the [\h__\h] is weird the fact that anything

509
00:16:21,670 --> 00:16:18,639
is

510
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god's sake

511
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like the notion that atoms would cobble

512
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together

513
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like inorganic stuff producing this

514
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notion of

515
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is there something out there in the

516
00:16:37,189 --> 00:16:35,040
universe like that's just

517
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extraordinary like the texture of all

518
00:16:41,110 --> 00:16:38,959
this stuff all this stuff is strange

519
00:16:43,030 --> 00:16:41,120
um no man i had a bunch of weird

520
00:16:44,790 --> 00:16:43,040
experiences when i was younger and so it

521
00:16:46,470 --> 00:16:44,800
it put you or put me in this kind of

522
00:16:49,670 --> 00:16:46,480
headspace of um

523
00:16:52,230 --> 00:16:49,680
what's what's true and

524
00:16:53,350 --> 00:16:52,240
i thought it was always strange that we

525
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were a ball

526
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hurling through space and yet nobody

527
00:16:58,949 --> 00:16:57,120
thought of thinking

528
00:17:00,230 --> 00:16:58,959
hey is it possible that there are other

529
00:17:01,110 --> 00:17:00,240
balls rolling through space with other

530
00:17:02,310 --> 00:17:01,120
beings on it

531
00:17:03,350 --> 00:17:02,320
i just thought it was the weirdest thing

532
00:17:04,789 --> 00:17:03,360
ever and it was like oh dude that's

533
00:17:07,750 --> 00:17:04,799
crazy that's conspiracy theory

534
00:17:09,189 --> 00:17:07,760
so wait so god made a vase around earth

535
00:17:11,350 --> 00:17:09,199
they made a ball around earth

536
00:17:13,429 --> 00:17:11,360
no no no it's not that it would have to

537
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be it would have to be by definition

538
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almost

539
00:17:17,750 --> 00:17:15,360
it's like if you think of the number of

540
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galaxies and it's like expanding

541
00:17:21,429 --> 00:17:19,760
ever expanding ever expanding and it's

542
00:17:24,230 --> 00:17:21,439
like yeah yeah yeah but it's just

543
00:17:25,110 --> 00:17:24,240
us it's just bizarre and so then they

544
00:17:27,110 --> 00:17:25,120
would say

545
00:17:28,549 --> 00:17:27,120
okay well maybe not just us there are

546
00:17:29,909 --> 00:17:28,559
other things out there but they can't

547
00:17:31,909 --> 00:17:29,919
hear how do you know that

548
00:17:33,110 --> 00:17:31,919
well our physics say your physics is 100

549
00:17:34,950 --> 00:17:33,120
years old how do you know that

550
00:17:37,430 --> 00:17:34,960
well i'm neil degrasse tyson and i have

551
00:17:39,669 --> 00:17:37,440
god's knowledge of the universe

552
00:17:41,270 --> 00:17:39,679
he's like get out of here and then you

553
00:17:42,150 --> 00:17:41,280
get the report and you're looking at him

554
00:17:46,390 --> 00:17:42,160
like

555
00:17:49,510 --> 00:17:46,400
all right what's your excuse me

556
00:17:51,510 --> 00:17:49,520
they have no answers right well oh

557
00:17:53,430 --> 00:17:51,520
that is that's such a good connector

558
00:17:54,150 --> 00:17:53,440
right there tomorrow i want to get your

559
00:17:55,909 --> 00:17:54,160
thoughts because

560
00:17:57,750 --> 00:17:55,919
thank you for sharing that origin story

561
00:18:02,150 --> 00:17:57,760
by the way i know it's you know

562
00:18:05,270 --> 00:18:04,310
it's crazy how i always love hearing how

563
00:18:06,870 --> 00:18:05,280
people get

564
00:18:09,350 --> 00:18:06,880
kind of involved with these things but

565
00:18:12,830 --> 00:18:09,360
you did run up it came out of the blue

566
00:18:15,669 --> 00:18:12,840
like it like on it it fell in your head

567
00:18:18,950 --> 00:18:15,679
intense um

568
00:18:21,990 --> 00:18:18,960
unsettling strange

569
00:18:25,190 --> 00:18:22,000
need to understand and know all at once

570
00:18:26,710 --> 00:18:25,200
and it was like freaky it freaked me out

571
00:18:27,510 --> 00:18:26,720
like that just freaked my wife it was

572
00:18:29,750 --> 00:18:27,520
freaking me out

573
00:18:31,510 --> 00:18:29,760
because it was stuff like i remember

574
00:18:33,590 --> 00:18:31,520
sitting one time thinking

575
00:18:35,350 --> 00:18:33,600
if this is real meaning if there's a

576
00:18:36,789 --> 00:18:35,360
bear there and there's something that is

577
00:18:40,230 --> 00:18:36,799
visiting this planet

578
00:18:42,789 --> 00:18:40,240
and and this is and you are accepting

579
00:18:44,070 --> 00:18:42,799
on some level all right if this is real

580
00:18:45,669 --> 00:18:44,080
and you're going through with

581
00:18:47,669 --> 00:18:45,679
pushing and pushing trying to figure out

582
00:18:48,390 --> 00:18:47,679
what's true this is not like the spirit

583
00:18:50,150 --> 00:18:48,400
gut stuff

584
00:18:51,830 --> 00:18:50,160
like this is more like there's a

585
00:18:54,390 --> 00:18:51,840
physical reality to this

586
00:18:55,190 --> 00:18:54,400
supposedly and you can get abducted it

587
00:18:58,070 --> 00:18:55,200
was that

588
00:19:00,070 --> 00:18:58,080
it was did you accept all of this as you

589
00:19:02,870 --> 00:19:00,080
go into the it was all of that right

590
00:19:05,029 --> 00:19:02,880
it was very very heady very very intense

591
00:19:06,549 --> 00:19:05,039
and then at some point it leveled off

592
00:19:07,909 --> 00:19:06,559
and then at the point where he leveled

593
00:19:10,390 --> 00:19:07,919
off it never leveled off to a point of

594
00:19:13,029 --> 00:19:10,400
zero it just kind of level off to okay

595
00:19:14,870 --> 00:19:13,039
this is a balanced level of looking at

596
00:19:15,830 --> 00:19:14,880
the world with other stuff etcetera

597
00:19:17,430 --> 00:19:15,840
etcetera

598
00:19:18,870 --> 00:19:17,440
um at the point where i got back into

599
00:19:20,950 --> 00:19:18,880
got heavy into

600
00:19:22,150 --> 00:19:20,960
the political space the ufo stuff never

601
00:19:24,390 --> 00:19:22,160
went away because

602
00:19:26,789 --> 00:19:24,400
honestly to the level to which you could

603
00:19:29,430 --> 00:19:26,799
defend there was a there there

604
00:19:31,190 --> 00:19:29,440
like even like meaning not trying to

605
00:19:32,950 --> 00:19:31,200
contact anything none of that stuff

606
00:19:34,310 --> 00:19:32,960
just from the standpoint of okay what's

607
00:19:35,990 --> 00:19:34,320
real well

608
00:19:37,190 --> 00:19:36,000
there was a real there there to it and

609
00:19:37,990 --> 00:19:37,200
there was enough evidence to show there

610
00:19:39,430 --> 00:19:38,000
was that they are there to

611
00:19:41,190 --> 00:19:39,440
it so from my perspective yeah you can

612
00:19:43,110 --> 00:19:41,200
argue um up to the point

613
00:19:45,669 --> 00:19:43,120
that you can defend um at the point

614
00:19:47,830 --> 00:19:45,679
where the report came out oh dude

615
00:19:49,830 --> 00:19:47,840
the horse was at the barn yeah and like

616
00:19:50,870 --> 00:19:49,840
we're now at that place tomorrow i think

617
00:19:54,470 --> 00:19:50,880
where

618
00:19:56,789 --> 00:19:54,480
that there there like you said um is now

619
00:19:57,590 --> 00:19:56,799
literally crashing headfirst into

620
00:20:00,950 --> 00:19:57,600
politics

621
00:20:02,310 --> 00:20:00,960
yes and now the us government is saying

622
00:20:04,390 --> 00:20:02,320
there's something there we need to

623
00:20:05,909 --> 00:20:04,400
continue looking into it so i'd love to

624
00:20:06,470 --> 00:20:05,919
get your opinion on that man the report

625
00:20:08,549 --> 00:20:06,480
drops

626
00:20:09,990 --> 00:20:08,559
you were literally on a live stream yeah

627
00:20:11,190 --> 00:20:10,000
when this thing dropped i remember

628
00:20:13,990 --> 00:20:11,200
watching this thing

629
00:20:15,590 --> 00:20:14,000
and to see all of you guys like like

630
00:20:16,950 --> 00:20:15,600
literally be like oh my god it's here

631
00:20:18,390 --> 00:20:16,960
i'm like i'm gonna go through this

632
00:20:20,230 --> 00:20:18,400
i'm okay the floor whenever at the

633
00:20:21,990 --> 00:20:20,240
report right well that's okay

634
00:20:23,430 --> 00:20:22,000
what are your thoughts on it yeah what

635
00:20:24,549 --> 00:20:23,440
are your thoughts on the report i mean i

636
00:20:25,830 --> 00:20:24,559
know a lot of people in the ufo

637
00:20:27,750 --> 00:20:25,840
community were really

638
00:20:29,510 --> 00:20:27,760
let down and they were like there's no

639
00:20:30,230 --> 00:20:29,520
photos there's no videos yeah what do

640
00:20:32,950 --> 00:20:30,240
you think about

641
00:20:35,029 --> 00:20:32,960
that screw that screw that the point of

642
00:20:37,750 --> 00:20:35,039
the report was to

643
00:20:38,630 --> 00:20:37,760
confirm and establish legitimacy that

644
00:20:40,950 --> 00:20:38,640
was the point

645
00:20:41,669 --> 00:20:40,960
it was never going to say aliens are

646
00:20:43,270 --> 00:20:41,679
real

647
00:20:45,510 --> 00:20:43,280
but for all intents and purposes the

648
00:20:47,430 --> 00:20:45,520
report is screaming aliens are real

649
00:20:48,870 --> 00:20:47,440
or something is real that is in a space

650
00:20:49,669 --> 00:20:48,880
that is doing something that is breaking

651
00:20:52,230 --> 00:20:49,679
out paradigm

652
00:20:53,110 --> 00:20:52,240
i mean chris mellon just released um the

653
00:20:57,350 --> 00:20:53,120
nimitz

654
00:21:00,470 --> 00:20:57,360
basically saying

655
00:21:02,549 --> 00:21:00,480
something is dispersing radar it is

656
00:21:04,070 --> 00:21:02,559
making these massive accelerations left

657
00:21:06,310 --> 00:21:04,080
and right like where it's

658
00:21:08,149 --> 00:21:06,320
um making these movements but it has no

659
00:21:08,870 --> 00:21:08,159
visible surface for propulsion and

660
00:21:12,630 --> 00:21:08,880
everything else

661
00:21:14,549 --> 00:21:12,640
it's not us that's what that's the point

662
00:21:15,750 --> 00:21:14,559
that he's trying to make and look

663
00:21:17,669 --> 00:21:15,760
whether you say

664
00:21:19,190 --> 00:21:17,679
it's us or not us the report has

665
00:21:21,990 --> 00:21:19,200
basically said this is real

666
00:21:23,669 --> 00:21:22,000
we have been lying for 70 years the

667
00:21:24,950 --> 00:21:23,679
thing that we said wasn't real the thing

668
00:21:26,070 --> 00:21:24,960
that we said was swamp gas the thing

669
00:21:29,190 --> 00:21:26,080
that we said didn't exist

670
00:21:31,110 --> 00:21:29,200
is real it's real confirm it real that's

671
00:21:32,710 --> 00:21:31,120
what the report is it's confirmation

672
00:21:34,390 --> 00:21:32,720
now i know people in the ufo community

673
00:21:36,310 --> 00:21:34,400
may say they wanted more because in

674
00:21:37,110 --> 00:21:36,320
their heads they were already there

675
00:21:38,549 --> 00:21:37,120
meaning they didn't need the

676
00:21:40,230 --> 00:21:38,559
confirmation they were already there but

677
00:21:42,710 --> 00:21:40,240
the report is not entirely for them

678
00:21:43,430 --> 00:21:42,720
the report is by everybody else who

679
00:21:45,990 --> 00:21:43,440
wasn't

680
00:21:47,270 --> 00:21:46,000
everything else thought this was a

681
00:21:49,110 --> 00:21:47,280
giggle factor and everything else the

682
00:21:51,350 --> 00:21:49,120
report is like no

683
00:21:53,270 --> 00:21:51,360
the google factor is over this is real

684
00:21:54,230 --> 00:21:53,280
and as such as the government of the

685
00:21:56,950 --> 00:21:54,240
united states

686
00:21:58,870 --> 00:21:56,960
every alphabet soup agency stands up and

687
00:22:00,549 --> 00:21:58,880
says yes this report we're standing by

688
00:22:03,350 --> 00:22:00,559
this report it's real

689
00:22:04,470 --> 00:22:03,360
and on top of it's real we are

690
00:22:07,270 --> 00:22:04,480
maneuvering

691
00:22:08,070 --> 00:22:07,280
the mechanisms of government itself to

692
00:22:10,789 --> 00:22:08,080
accrue

693
00:22:12,149 --> 00:22:10,799
information on this topic it's a

694
00:22:14,870 --> 00:22:12,159
fascinating thing to watch

695
00:22:16,230 --> 00:22:14,880
i mean in all honesty i mean it's it's

696
00:22:19,110 --> 00:22:16,240
sausage-making

697
00:22:20,310 --> 00:22:19,120
but in a purple context um look

698
00:22:22,149 --> 00:22:20,320
personally

699
00:22:23,590 --> 00:22:22,159
i think they already know i mean when

700
00:22:26,310 --> 00:22:23,600
you hear mitt romney say

701
00:22:28,070 --> 00:22:26,320
it's not russia it's not china i don't

702
00:22:30,070 --> 00:22:28,080
think it's aliens it's like dude

703
00:22:31,750 --> 00:22:30,080
you've taken everything off the table

704
00:22:32,549 --> 00:22:31,760
you've literally taken everything off

705
00:22:34,789 --> 00:22:32,559
the table

706
00:22:37,110 --> 00:22:34,799
and i think romney is every man honestly

707
00:22:38,149 --> 00:22:37,120
i do i think romney is every person who

708
00:22:40,390 --> 00:22:38,159
says

709
00:22:41,590 --> 00:22:40,400
the paradigm that you've just added to

710
00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:41,600
the table because that's what's been

711
00:22:43,990 --> 00:22:42,240
added

712
00:22:45,590 --> 00:22:44,000
meaning think of all of the stuff that

713
00:22:46,630 --> 00:22:45,600
falls out of the ufo subject that stuff

714
00:22:48,310 --> 00:22:46,640
is on the table

715
00:22:49,669 --> 00:22:48,320
whereas beforehand they would never even

716
00:22:50,870 --> 00:22:49,679
acknowledge it being part of the

717
00:22:53,190 --> 00:22:50,880
conversation that is

718
00:22:54,710 --> 00:22:53,200
major like i know the ufo community want

719
00:22:55,430 --> 00:22:54,720
it more but i don't think they

720
00:22:57,909 --> 00:22:55,440
acknowledge

721
00:22:59,909 --> 00:22:57,919
the amount to which they got like it is

722
00:23:01,029 --> 00:22:59,919
extraordinary there is nothing that has

723
00:23:03,510 --> 00:23:01,039
been out like this

724
00:23:05,190 --> 00:23:03,520
and so it's it's not even like okay

725
00:23:05,750 --> 00:23:05,200
we've seen something in the air we don't

726
00:23:08,630 --> 00:23:05,760
know what

727
00:23:09,029 --> 00:23:08,640
it's like okay we've just based on what

728
00:23:12,390 --> 00:23:09,039
they

729
00:23:14,470 --> 00:23:12,400
gave you it almost eliminates certain

730
00:23:17,190 --> 00:23:14,480
items just because of the technology and

731
00:23:19,750 --> 00:23:17,200
everything else is foreign it's not

732
00:23:20,950 --> 00:23:19,760
what they're describing is not what we

733
00:23:24,070 --> 00:23:20,960
would consider to be

734
00:23:26,549 --> 00:23:24,080
objects that comply to normal physics

735
00:23:27,750 --> 00:23:26,559
so whether it's us or not it breaks up

736
00:23:29,590 --> 00:23:27,760
paradigm

737
00:23:30,870 --> 00:23:29,600
that's what i mean like like i don't

738
00:23:33,110 --> 00:23:30,880
think the community

739
00:23:34,710 --> 00:23:33,120
is acknowledging the extent or the

740
00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:34,720
amount to which they got they got

741
00:23:38,310 --> 00:23:37,200
confirmation and legitimacy all at once

742
00:23:39,590 --> 00:23:38,320
and that's something that they've never

743
00:23:42,710 --> 00:23:39,600
been offered

744
00:23:44,230 --> 00:23:42,720
so i think that's major and now the

745
00:23:47,190 --> 00:23:44,240
fight at this point is

746
00:23:47,750 --> 00:23:47,200
what is it well if the ufo community is

747
00:23:49,830 --> 00:23:47,760
right

748
00:23:51,029 --> 00:23:49,840
and it's the alien hypothesis well that

749
00:23:52,870 --> 00:23:51,039
is the thing that gets

750
00:23:55,269 --> 00:23:52,880
meted out what i think is taking place

751
00:23:57,990 --> 00:23:55,279
is the slow walk

752
00:23:58,789 --> 00:23:58,000
to confirmation where it's we're going

753
00:24:00,870 --> 00:23:58,799
to get the public

754
00:24:02,070 --> 00:24:00,880
acclimated it is going to be one report

755
00:24:03,669 --> 00:24:02,080
after the next

756
00:24:05,990 --> 00:24:03,679
there is no politician that's going to

757
00:24:07,430 --> 00:24:06,000
run out and screaming ufos are alias

758
00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:07,440
none of them are going to do it what

759
00:24:10,549 --> 00:24:09,200
they will do is say we need another

760
00:24:11,110 --> 00:24:10,559
report which they're going to get in 90

761
00:24:13,990 --> 00:24:11,120
days

762
00:24:15,029 --> 00:24:14,000
and they're going to say we need um

763
00:24:16,549 --> 00:24:15,039
congressional hearings we need

764
00:24:18,470 --> 00:24:16,559
congressional hearings which is again

765
00:24:19,750 --> 00:24:18,480
what they're asking for and what they

766
00:24:23,230 --> 00:24:19,760
would do is

767
00:24:25,990 --> 00:24:23,240
use or disperse let's say the

768
00:24:28,870 --> 00:24:26,000
responsibility of acknowledging

769
00:24:29,909 --> 00:24:28,880
what it is onto an agency because keep

770
00:24:31,029 --> 00:24:29,919
in mind from the standpoint of a

771
00:24:32,549 --> 00:24:31,039
politician they don't want to

772
00:24:33,909 --> 00:24:32,559
necessarily come out and say something

773
00:24:34,549 --> 00:24:33,919
that they can be politically attacked

774
00:24:35,990 --> 00:24:34,559
for

775
00:24:37,590 --> 00:24:36,000
what they will do is say okay we're

776
00:24:39,190 --> 00:24:37,600
going to have this agency look into it

777
00:24:41,110 --> 00:24:39,200
so the responsibility

778
00:24:42,710 --> 00:24:41,120
of coming out and saying one thing or

779
00:24:44,870 --> 00:24:42,720
the other is dispersed within the

780
00:24:46,630 --> 00:24:44,880
members of the agency a committee of 10

781
00:24:48,230 --> 00:24:46,640
who are gonna do whatever they'll do

782
00:24:49,990 --> 00:24:48,240
that and that's what they're gonna do in

783
00:24:53,430 --> 00:24:50,000
this issue they're gonna disperse

784
00:24:56,549 --> 00:24:53,440
the responsibility of confirming on one

785
00:24:57,990 --> 00:24:56,559
report or one hearing after the next so

786
00:24:59,430 --> 00:24:58,000
when it finally gets down to the end

787
00:25:02,470 --> 00:24:59,440
it's the last thing

788
00:25:05,190 --> 00:25:02,480
the last um um candy corn

789
00:25:05,990 --> 00:25:05,200
in the box then at that point it's not

790
00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:06,000
any member

791
00:25:09,510 --> 00:25:08,240
saying it it's the group that's my

792
00:25:09,909 --> 00:25:09,520
thought i could be entirely wrong on

793
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:09,919
that

794
00:25:13,029 --> 00:25:11,520
i mean unless they you know somebody

795
00:25:15,190 --> 00:25:13,039
pull back the lever and say okay screw

796
00:25:17,029 --> 00:25:15,200
it we're no longer doing this until yeah

797
00:25:18,710 --> 00:25:17,039
that can always happen well that's what

798
00:25:20,950 --> 00:25:18,720
they're doing that's what it looks like

799
00:25:22,549 --> 00:25:20,960
yeah yeah right i think that's what it

800
00:25:24,310 --> 00:25:22,559
looks like that's a good way to put it

801
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:24,320
because i know a lot of this

802
00:25:29,190 --> 00:25:27,600
um is about narrative you know you've

803
00:25:31,110 --> 00:25:29,200
got one side being like

804
00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:31,120
they're not a threat they're peaceful we

805
00:25:33,909 --> 00:25:32,880
need to communicate with them i you knew

806
00:25:35,669 --> 00:25:33,919
it was going there man

807
00:25:37,510 --> 00:25:35,679
and the other side's saying potential

808
00:25:39,110 --> 00:25:37,520
threat we have to look out for this we

809
00:25:39,430 --> 00:25:39,120
need to build up space force blah blah

810
00:25:45,190 --> 00:25:39,440
blah

811
00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:45,200
i mean you you work in washington you

812
00:25:49,510 --> 00:25:46,320
see these people

813
00:25:51,990 --> 00:25:49,520
every day in how they spin

814
00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:52,000
things how they do things like what are

815
00:25:55,830 --> 00:25:53,760
we looking at with this pentagon thing

816
00:25:57,269 --> 00:25:55,840
should we like trust everything they're

817
00:25:58,470 --> 00:25:57,279
saying when it comes to this topic

818
00:26:00,310 --> 00:25:58,480
like yeah we're going to get another

819
00:26:02,549 --> 00:26:00,320
report we're going to have a

820
00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:02,559
hopefully kind of a permanent place

821
00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:03,840
collecting this data

822
00:26:08,310 --> 00:26:06,720
that the dod said like but is that good

823
00:26:10,149 --> 00:26:08,320
like or is that just another way to kind

824
00:26:13,430 --> 00:26:10,159
of contain everything and

825
00:26:16,630 --> 00:26:13,440
uh also get money to like protect our

826
00:26:18,390 --> 00:26:16,640
our our atmosphere from you know

827
00:26:20,149 --> 00:26:18,400
an invasion yeah what do you think of

828
00:26:23,350 --> 00:26:20,159
all that um

829
00:26:24,870 --> 00:26:23,360
so let's take a little bit for the

830
00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:24,880
because moment and bad gets complicated

831
00:26:29,029 --> 00:26:26,400
it does um

832
00:26:31,029 --> 00:26:29,039
and let's go with cause and effect okay

833
00:26:34,630 --> 00:26:31,039
um i do believe

834
00:26:36,149 --> 00:26:34,640
that you will have people who would want

835
00:26:37,750 --> 00:26:36,159
to maintain the integrity

836
00:26:40,310 --> 00:26:37,760
of earth or what they would consider the

837
00:26:42,230 --> 00:26:40,320
sovereignty of earth and that people who

838
00:26:43,750 --> 00:26:42,240
are in intel may want to craft a

839
00:26:45,269 --> 00:26:43,760
narrative to explain

840
00:26:47,590 --> 00:26:45,279
how have you been lying for so many

841
00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:47,600
years and that that narrative may be

842
00:26:50,710 --> 00:26:49,200
coming out with all of this you know the

843
00:26:52,070 --> 00:26:50,720
information is coming out oh golly gee

844
00:26:53,669 --> 00:26:52,080
we just hit our head on this we didn't

845
00:26:55,590 --> 00:26:53,679
know that this was a real thing

846
00:26:57,590 --> 00:26:55,600
we have no idea what it is et cetera et

847
00:26:59,190 --> 00:26:57,600
cetera and the fact of the matter is if

848
00:27:01,110 --> 00:26:59,200
they do know what it is

849
00:27:02,789 --> 00:27:01,120
then they are managing the way this

850
00:27:04,390 --> 00:27:02,799
information gets released now the catch

851
00:27:05,590 --> 00:27:04,400
becomes who's running the ball or what's

852
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:05,600
being managed

853
00:27:13,110 --> 00:27:10,720
um i look i personally like elizabeth

854
00:27:14,549 --> 00:27:13,120
um but i don't know who he works for so

855
00:27:17,350 --> 00:27:14,559
that screws with me

856
00:27:18,630 --> 00:27:17,360
now what i mean by that is if his

857
00:27:21,430 --> 00:27:18,640
mission seems to be

858
00:27:22,389 --> 00:27:21,440
to get the information out and to kind

859
00:27:24,789 --> 00:27:22,399
of

860
00:27:26,230 --> 00:27:24,799
get and pull this information out so it

861
00:27:27,669 --> 00:27:26,240
becomes okay why now

862
00:27:29,430 --> 00:27:27,679
government tends to not do anything

863
00:27:31,909 --> 00:27:29,440
unless it has some kind of motive behind

864
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:31,919
the reason that it's doing it is it just

865
00:27:35,350 --> 00:27:33,600
okay we just this is the opportune

866
00:27:38,630 --> 00:27:35,360
moment that we think we can get it up

867
00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:38,640
okay why now also

868
00:27:41,909 --> 00:27:40,799
these guys are spooks right so that

869
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:41,919
screws with me

870
00:27:45,510 --> 00:27:44,159
being that it's for the last what 70

871
00:27:46,710 --> 00:27:45,520
years these have been the same people

872
00:27:48,230 --> 00:27:46,720
who basically have been hired again and

873
00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:48,240
now lola's and they're saying

874
00:27:52,389 --> 00:27:50,640
trust us um we're the people who've been

875
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:52,399
hiding it followed me two years in life

876
00:27:56,549 --> 00:27:53,440
all of these years

877
00:27:58,070 --> 00:27:56,559
so there's that part so not knowing the

878
00:27:59,830 --> 00:27:58,080
motivations behind the people who are

879
00:28:02,549 --> 00:27:59,840
basically coming out

880
00:28:03,909 --> 00:28:02,559
um and just because information is being

881
00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:03,919
leaked again

882
00:28:08,230 --> 00:28:05,760
and usually in political circles when

883
00:28:11,029 --> 00:28:08,240
people are leaking information for

884
00:28:12,470 --> 00:28:11,039
an effect we want to put something out

885
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:12,480
into the public that the media will

886
00:28:15,430 --> 00:28:13,440
consume

887
00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:15,440
that will push a conversation in a

888
00:28:18,710 --> 00:28:16,559
specific direction

889
00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:18,720
that's typically the point of leaks any

890
00:28:20,950 --> 00:28:19,760
people who are typically pointing out

891
00:28:21,990 --> 00:28:20,960
those leaks so typically people will

892
00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:22,000
manage by

893
00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:24,080
intel it goes both ways the reporter

894
00:28:27,350 --> 00:28:25,200
gets the leak the

895
00:28:29,110 --> 00:28:27,360
um intel gets the direction in which

896
00:28:31,269 --> 00:28:29,120
they get to push the conversation

897
00:28:32,950 --> 00:28:31,279
um and so when you have the ufo leaks

898
00:28:34,549 --> 00:28:32,960
and it's like okay one drop after the

899
00:28:37,029 --> 00:28:34,559
next after the next after the next

900
00:28:37,909 --> 00:28:37,039
it seems that somebody is trying to push

901
00:28:39,669 --> 00:28:37,919
something

902
00:28:41,029 --> 00:28:39,679
in a direction and keep the conversation

903
00:28:42,870 --> 00:28:41,039
moving in a particular direction and

904
00:28:44,630 --> 00:28:42,880
keeping this kind of

905
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:44,640
churning going in mainstream media in

906
00:28:51,029 --> 00:28:47,520
order to push this information out

907
00:28:51,909 --> 00:28:51,039
now we i it's a yes great i wanted this

908
00:28:53,269 --> 00:28:51,919
information out

909
00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:53,279
by the same token i look at it and say

910
00:28:58,630 --> 00:28:55,200
okay well why now and

911
00:29:02,070 --> 00:28:58,640
why um why why the push

912
00:29:05,110 --> 00:29:02,080
for it and what what is the person's aim

913
00:29:05,909 --> 00:29:05,120
or group's aim um in pushing this up if

914
00:29:08,389 --> 00:29:05,919
that makes sense

915
00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:08,399
yeah i get suspicious i get because i

916
00:29:11,430 --> 00:29:10,080
don't necessarily believe

917
00:29:12,950 --> 00:29:11,440
like you have a situation like somebody

918
00:29:14,389 --> 00:29:12,960
like grier who comes and says oh the

919
00:29:16,470 --> 00:29:14,399
aliens are all

920
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:16,480
hippies and then you have tom de long

921
00:29:21,029 --> 00:29:18,720
the aliens are going to eat us

922
00:29:22,389 --> 00:29:21,039
both of these guys have intel sources

923
00:29:24,149 --> 00:29:22,399
both of these guys are getting

924
00:29:25,590 --> 00:29:24,159
information and by my estimate what i

925
00:29:27,269 --> 00:29:25,600
suspect is happening

926
00:29:28,630 --> 00:29:27,279
is that all of these people are being

927
00:29:32,149 --> 00:29:28,640
lied to on some level

928
00:29:32,710 --> 00:29:32,159
that there's information um a flavor of

929
00:29:35,830 --> 00:29:32,720
truth

930
00:29:36,230 --> 00:29:35,840
in it with a context dropped at least

931
00:29:38,070 --> 00:29:36,240
that's

932
00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:38,080
the way it happens in political circles

933
00:29:42,149 --> 00:29:40,080
like in media they would say okay

934
00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:42,159
here's our view of the story and

935
00:29:44,549 --> 00:29:44,159
there'll be a certain degree of context

936
00:29:46,149 --> 00:29:44,559
that's

937
00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:46,159
dropped in order to give a perspective

938
00:29:51,669 --> 00:29:48,559
for people a particular perspective

939
00:29:52,710 --> 00:29:51,679
my my fear is that it's that part it's

940
00:29:54,230 --> 00:29:52,720
like hey we're going to give you

941
00:29:55,830 --> 00:29:54,240
information okay great

942
00:29:57,110 --> 00:29:55,840
and this information is something that

943
00:29:57,510 --> 00:29:57,120
you guys have wanted for a very long

944
00:30:00,310 --> 00:29:57,520
time

945
00:30:01,110 --> 00:30:00,320
great is it all the information is it

946
00:30:02,789 --> 00:30:01,120
everything

947
00:30:04,149 --> 00:30:02,799
what are you holding back how long did

948
00:30:04,870 --> 00:30:04,159
you know what did you know when did you

949
00:30:06,149 --> 00:30:04,880
know it it's

950
00:30:08,470 --> 00:30:06,159
that type of stuff it's like you've been

951
00:30:10,389 --> 00:30:08,480
live for 70 years you've been telling

952
00:30:12,149 --> 00:30:10,399
people that it's been swap gas

953
00:30:13,830 --> 00:30:12,159
and you've known that it's been

954
00:30:15,430 --> 00:30:13,840
something else this stuff has been going

955
00:30:17,269 --> 00:30:15,440
on since the 40s

956
00:30:19,669 --> 00:30:17,279
and now you're saying that you don't

957
00:30:22,149 --> 00:30:19,679
know what it is so i feel like even that

958
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:22,159
is somewhat deceptive in information is

959
00:30:25,110 --> 00:30:23,039
coming out

960
00:30:26,470 --> 00:30:25,120
but i do think they're telling us on

961
00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:26,480
some level

962
00:30:32,950 --> 00:30:31,840
um but everything is so into black that

963
00:30:35,590 --> 00:30:32,960
it freaks me out

964
00:30:36,310 --> 00:30:35,600
and so i guess my point is people like

965
00:30:39,590 --> 00:30:36,320
greer

966
00:30:41,110 --> 00:30:39,600
with the threat idea um i would say yes

967
00:30:42,230 --> 00:30:41,120
intel probably wants to maintain

968
00:30:43,750 --> 00:30:42,240
sovereignty of earth from their

969
00:30:46,389 --> 00:30:43,760
perspective it's birth

970
00:30:48,149 --> 00:30:46,399
um yes this full spectrum dominant stuff

971
00:30:50,070 --> 00:30:48,159
that is part of

972
00:30:51,990 --> 00:30:50,080
our thinking of the globe i mean it's

973
00:30:53,590 --> 00:30:52,000
why we it puts us at conflict with all

974
00:30:54,870 --> 00:30:53,600
of these other countries

975
00:30:56,789 --> 00:30:54,880
um i don't know what that looks like

976
00:30:58,310 --> 00:30:56,799
only on a on a global

977
00:31:00,070 --> 00:30:58,320
standpoint though that looks weird on a

978
00:31:01,590 --> 00:31:00,080
global standpoint like america's

979
00:31:02,389 --> 00:31:01,600
dominance over earth like that looks

980
00:31:04,710 --> 00:31:02,399
weird

981
00:31:05,909 --> 00:31:04,720
um the fall black thing i need a little

982
00:31:09,430 --> 00:31:05,919
bit more

983
00:31:11,990 --> 00:31:09,440
than varnavar and bronze secretary

984
00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:12,000
if you're gonna go there that's too good

985
00:31:15,269 --> 00:31:12,480
yeah

986
00:31:16,950 --> 00:31:15,279
it's just so big like meaning i can go

987
00:31:17,990 --> 00:31:16,960
some places with you i can say yes the

988
00:31:19,509 --> 00:31:18,000
threat thing yes

989
00:31:21,509 --> 00:31:19,519
i could see the government wanting to

990
00:31:23,590 --> 00:31:21,519
maintain sovereignty yes i could see

991
00:31:25,590 --> 00:31:23,600
money being dumped into weapons yes i

992
00:31:27,830 --> 00:31:25,600
can see all that stuff happen in fact

993
00:31:29,350 --> 00:31:27,840
even under the best of circumstances the

994
00:31:31,830 --> 00:31:29,360
moment that you say

995
00:31:33,430 --> 00:31:31,840
okay they're not us you will have to

996
00:31:36,470 --> 00:31:33,440
have some kind of governmental or

997
00:31:37,830 --> 00:31:36,480
world or super governmental agency to

998
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:37,840
deal with it i mean are you really going

999
00:31:40,470 --> 00:31:39,360
to have individual countries dealing

1000
00:31:43,110 --> 00:31:40,480
with

1001
00:31:43,830 --> 00:31:43,120
you know even meaning even if you're not

1002
00:31:45,669 --> 00:31:43,840
dealing with

1003
00:31:51,190 --> 00:31:45,679
anything the moment that you know about

1004
00:31:54,870 --> 00:31:53,029
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00:33:12,470 --> 00:33:08,559
keep looking up you never know what you

1042
00:33:17,990 --> 00:33:15,509
i talked to a um a chinese

1043
00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:18,000
astronomer recently who you know is

1044
00:33:21,029 --> 00:33:19,200
working with the

1045
00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:21,039
one of the most sophisticated telescopes

1046
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:22,720
right now radio telescopes in

1047
00:33:25,830 --> 00:33:24,720
china i think the biggest now since

1048
00:33:27,909 --> 00:33:25,840
arecibo

1049
00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:27,919
fell but um you know the big concern

1050
00:33:32,630 --> 00:33:29,600
there was okay let's say

1051
00:33:33,269 --> 00:33:32,640
china does is the first to um because

1052
00:33:35,029 --> 00:33:33,279
never

1053
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:35,039
take the techno signatures or make

1054
00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:36,960
contact like would they tell the rest of

1055
00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:37,679
the world or

1056
00:33:40,789 --> 00:33:38,960
what message are they going to

1057
00:33:41,669 --> 00:33:40,799
communicate with the aliens that we

1058
00:33:44,149 --> 00:33:41,679
don't know about

1059
00:33:46,070 --> 00:33:44,159
that's my point right like the

1060
00:33:48,950 --> 00:33:46,080
consequences at that point

1061
00:33:50,549 --> 00:33:48,960
yeah anything become global right what

1062
00:33:52,149 --> 00:33:50,559
what space police are going to be

1063
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:52,159
policing all of this when it

1064
00:33:55,350 --> 00:33:53,519
when it finally happens if we're going

1065
00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:55,360
to go down the marvel route right so

1066
00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:55,679
well

1067
00:33:59,590 --> 00:33:56,880
but that's what but that's kind of my

1068
00:34:01,110 --> 00:33:59,600
point all of that now on the table

1069
00:34:03,029 --> 00:34:01,120
and and by the way all of it is in the

1070
00:34:04,789 --> 00:34:03,039
black that's on the table because

1071
00:34:07,750 --> 00:34:04,799
depending on it's basically said

1072
00:34:08,470 --> 00:34:07,760
all right ufos are real but no we're not

1073
00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:08,480
going to give you any

1074
00:34:11,270 --> 00:34:09,760
information on it we're just going to

1075
00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:11,280
tell you that they're real meaning we're

1076
00:34:14,310 --> 00:34:12,960
confirming this but no we're not going

1077
00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:14,320
to give you any information beyond the

1078
00:34:17,669 --> 00:34:15,119
confirmation

1079
00:34:19,750 --> 00:34:17,679
that's an untenable position frankly um

1080
00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:19,760
the public should be screaming at them

1081
00:34:21,909 --> 00:34:21,040
what do you mean these things are real

1082
00:34:23,270 --> 00:34:21,919
what do you mean they're in that

1083
00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:23,280
airspace what do you mean this has been

1084
00:34:26,149 --> 00:34:24,560
going on for 70 years and you haven't

1085
00:34:27,750 --> 00:34:26,159
said anything about it have you told the

1086
00:34:29,270 --> 00:34:27,760
president have you told congress

1087
00:34:30,790 --> 00:34:29,280
when did you tell president when did you

1088
00:34:31,589 --> 00:34:30,800
tell congress why have you been lying to

1089
00:34:33,669 --> 00:34:31,599
the public

1090
00:34:35,829 --> 00:34:33,679
like there's so many questions that just

1091
00:34:36,869 --> 00:34:35,839
fall immediately from that and then you

1092
00:34:39,270 --> 00:34:36,879
get into

1093
00:34:41,109 --> 00:34:39,280
the weird stuff like all right what

1094
00:34:43,669 --> 00:34:41,119
about abductions

1095
00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:43,679
what's in the crowd what about like you

1096
00:34:48,230 --> 00:34:44,960
get all of this other stuff

1097
00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:48,240
because they've been lying for so long

1098
00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:51,520
that you've put a paradigm change

1099
00:34:55,190 --> 00:34:54,240
on the table now and the paradigm change

1100
00:34:58,870 --> 00:34:55,200
honestly

1101
00:34:59,990 --> 00:34:58,880
looks more likely than the other items

1102
00:35:02,069 --> 00:35:00,000
you have to deal with that you have to

1103
00:35:05,910 --> 00:35:02,079
answer those questions like for example

1104
00:35:07,910 --> 00:35:05,920
all right um is it russia or is it china

1105
00:35:10,230 --> 00:35:07,920
which one do you think it is

1106
00:35:11,829 --> 00:35:10,240
and is russia or china how did they get

1107
00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:11,839
the breakthrough technology why was the

1108
00:35:15,030 --> 00:35:13,680
technology only used in a very specific

1109
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:15,040
instance of the craft but not

1110
00:35:18,870 --> 00:35:17,040
necessarily within the context of their

1111
00:35:20,069 --> 00:35:18,880
society when do you think this

1112
00:35:21,349 --> 00:35:20,079
breakthrough occurred how

1113
00:35:24,069 --> 00:35:21,359
is this breakthrough working i mean

1114
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:24,079
there's so many questions that like

1115
00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:27,359
that fall out of this document

1116
00:35:31,190 --> 00:35:29,040
that either need to be asked that need

1117
00:35:31,589 --> 00:35:31,200
to be raised need to at the very least

1118
00:35:35,030 --> 00:35:31,599
be

1119
00:35:36,790 --> 00:35:35,040
engaged um and yeah i think the dod has

1120
00:35:38,790 --> 00:35:36,800
a lot of answering questions to do

1121
00:35:40,710 --> 00:35:38,800
but i think what it boils down to is is

1122
00:35:43,030 --> 00:35:40,720
it us or not

1123
00:35:43,990 --> 00:35:43,040
and i think it's that that's the crux of

1124
00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:44,000
that's why neil degrasse

1125
00:35:49,349 --> 00:35:47,040
tyson is looking crazy trying to explain

1126
00:35:50,870 --> 00:35:49,359
the physics of the scribe hey maybe the

1127
00:35:52,230 --> 00:35:50,880
sensor's glitched

1128
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:52,240
and i know people want to think of the

1129
00:35:57,510 --> 00:35:54,480
lobster aliens it's like

1130
00:36:00,310 --> 00:35:57,520
no neil right

1131
00:36:01,510 --> 00:36:00,320
there is a paradigm shift that is being

1132
00:36:03,910 --> 00:36:01,520
broken

1133
00:36:05,430 --> 00:36:03,920
that our brave men and women in uniform

1134
00:36:07,750 --> 00:36:05,440
are saying is taking place

1135
00:36:08,710 --> 00:36:07,760
that the sensors are picking up on that

1136
00:36:11,750 --> 00:36:08,720
they are seeing

1137
00:36:13,190 --> 00:36:11,760
visually and with technology

1138
00:36:14,790 --> 00:36:13,200
and it is not that people just want to

1139
00:36:16,390 --> 00:36:14,800
believe they're aliens it's that you

1140
00:36:18,630 --> 00:36:16,400
need to explain

1141
00:36:19,829 --> 00:36:18,640
the factors all of the factors

1142
00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:19,839
associated with the case

1143
00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:21,520
not just the ones that you like all of

1144
00:36:26,069 --> 00:36:23,520
the factors associated with the case

1145
00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:26,079
and he has no answers and so it's like

1146
00:36:28,470 --> 00:36:27,599
he has to come up with the lobster guide

1147
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:28,480
nonsense

1148
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:30,480
right um no man it's a it's a

1149
00:36:34,870 --> 00:36:32,400
fascinating

1150
00:36:36,310 --> 00:36:34,880
it's i don't know it's heady the

1151
00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:36,320
ramifications are so

1152
00:36:41,030 --> 00:36:39,359
big there's so much implication to just

1153
00:36:41,510 --> 00:36:41,040
simply putting this report out and

1154
00:36:43,990 --> 00:36:41,520
saying

1155
00:36:44,790 --> 00:36:44,000
it's an other because then like you said

1156
00:36:47,910 --> 00:36:44,800
what do we

1157
00:36:49,270 --> 00:36:47,920
let's say they do finally say it's alien

1158
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:49,280
like you said

1159
00:36:52,230 --> 00:36:50,640
then what what about all these

1160
00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:52,240
abductions that supposedly happened what

1161
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:53,359
about all these um

1162
00:36:57,910 --> 00:36:55,040
crashes what about all these people

1163
00:36:59,109 --> 00:36:57,920
injured by supposed radiation or whatnot

1164
00:37:01,030 --> 00:36:59,119
from ufo landing

1165
00:37:02,150 --> 00:37:01,040
like what's in the craft just what's the

1166
00:37:04,310 --> 00:37:02,160
basic thing of what's

1167
00:37:06,150 --> 00:37:04,320
that and by the way they're staying away

1168
00:37:08,710 --> 00:37:06,160
from that like like the plague

1169
00:37:09,670 --> 00:37:08,720
yeah um because it's because what's it

1170
00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:09,680
gets weird

1171
00:37:14,870 --> 00:37:13,440
like what's in it gets it's so unknown

1172
00:37:16,310 --> 00:37:14,880
it's very strange it's like they have an

1173
00:37:17,910 --> 00:37:16,320
unknown but they have unknowns within

1174
00:37:21,030 --> 00:37:17,920
the context of the unknowns

1175
00:37:22,230 --> 00:37:21,040
and within one unknown it's enough in

1176
00:37:24,390 --> 00:37:22,240
the moment right yeah

1177
00:37:26,069 --> 00:37:24,400
it's like is there there there and the

1178
00:37:29,670 --> 00:37:26,079
report says yes

1179
00:37:31,109 --> 00:37:29,680
and then it becomes okay is it us or not

1180
00:37:32,950 --> 00:37:31,119
and then the report just says we don't

1181
00:37:34,310 --> 00:37:32,960
know we need more information we need

1182
00:37:35,109 --> 00:37:34,320
more information we need more data we

1183
00:37:36,230 --> 00:37:35,119
need more cert

1184
00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:36,240
but the people who are looking at the

1185
00:37:39,510 --> 00:37:37,680
classified data comes back and says

1186
00:37:40,950 --> 00:37:39,520
that's not us

1187
00:37:43,109 --> 00:37:40,960
and like i said chris mellon just

1188
00:37:46,230 --> 00:37:43,119
dropped a report on the nimitz case

1189
00:37:46,550 --> 00:37:46,240
that's not us that's not us there's no

1190
00:37:48,710 --> 00:37:46,560
way

1191
00:37:50,470 --> 00:37:48,720
i mean look unless we had a breakthrough

1192
00:37:52,550 --> 00:37:50,480
in our technology and then the catch

1193
00:37:53,990 --> 00:37:52,560
becomes okay over the course of the last

1194
00:37:56,310 --> 00:37:54,000
let's say 50 years

1195
00:37:58,150 --> 00:37:56,320
there's a bit has there been a change in

1196
00:37:59,349 --> 00:37:58,160
the various types of ufos that we've

1197
00:38:00,310 --> 00:37:59,359
been seeing and perceiving in the

1198
00:38:03,589 --> 00:38:00,320
airspace

1199
00:38:06,390 --> 00:38:03,599
now the reason i asked that is because

1200
00:38:08,150 --> 00:38:06,400
how did they get here if it's a small

1201
00:38:09,430 --> 00:38:08,160
craft that small craft wasn't chucking

1202
00:38:11,670 --> 00:38:09,440
around the galaxy

1203
00:38:13,109 --> 00:38:11,680
how did it get here and if how did it

1204
00:38:15,349 --> 00:38:13,119
get here was there a manufacturing

1205
00:38:16,950 --> 00:38:15,359
facility here has it increased or

1206
00:38:18,470 --> 00:38:16,960
changed over time like all of these

1207
00:38:19,270 --> 00:38:18,480
questions fall out of this particular

1208
00:38:22,630 --> 00:38:19,280
topic

1209
00:38:23,829 --> 00:38:22,640
and um you know 50 years ago

1210
00:38:25,750 --> 00:38:23,839
this could have been data that they've

1211
00:38:27,270 --> 00:38:25,760
been could have been compelling

1212
00:38:29,030 --> 00:38:27,280
and on some level i suspect they weren't

1213
00:38:30,870 --> 00:38:29,040
compiling this data that's why i don't

1214
00:38:33,270 --> 00:38:30,880
buy this like i don't buy

1215
00:38:34,230 --> 00:38:33,280
this roll out like oh golly shucks we

1216
00:38:36,870 --> 00:38:34,240
just stumble across

1217
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:36,880
ufos and you know i don't buy that yeah

1218
00:38:40,630 --> 00:38:38,400
i don't buy that at all

1219
00:38:42,310 --> 00:38:40,640
yeah i i would have to agree i i'm one

1220
00:38:44,069 --> 00:38:42,320
of those people in this field

1221
00:38:45,510 --> 00:38:44,079
tomorrow who doesn't think the

1222
00:38:47,270 --> 00:38:45,520
government knows much

1223
00:38:49,030 --> 00:38:47,280
i think they know something and like you

1224
00:38:50,950 --> 00:38:49,040
said i think a lot of all of this

1225
00:38:52,630 --> 00:38:50,960
is being managed somehow like you you

1226
00:38:55,109 --> 00:38:52,640
said earlier but

1227
00:38:56,310 --> 00:38:55,119
i don't think they truly know what

1228
00:38:58,150 --> 00:38:56,320
they're but that's the catch

1229
00:38:59,750 --> 00:38:58,160
they may not know much like elizondo

1230
00:39:02,790 --> 00:38:59,760
made the point of saying

1231
00:39:06,790 --> 00:39:02,800
like see his that's what i mean

1232
00:39:08,230 --> 00:39:06,800
he he is under certain rule sets where i

1233
00:39:10,069 --> 00:39:08,240
think what he can do is he can give you

1234
00:39:13,030 --> 00:39:10,079
a flavor of the truth about necessarily

1235
00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:13,040
being specific about the truth and so

1236
00:39:17,990 --> 00:39:15,359
you know this this thing if you drop a

1237
00:39:19,589 --> 00:39:18,000
nuclear sub back in 1540 would they be

1238
00:39:20,950 --> 00:39:19,599
able to figure out how it is even if you

1239
00:39:21,670 --> 00:39:20,960
give them all the resources in the world

1240
00:39:22,950 --> 00:39:21,680
to do it

1241
00:39:25,270 --> 00:39:22,960
and it's like okay well yeah they may be

1242
00:39:26,630 --> 00:39:25,280
able to pull up a door and start using

1243
00:39:28,390 --> 00:39:26,640
it to club people in the head thinking

1244
00:39:31,510 --> 00:39:28,400
this is the greatest weapon ever

1245
00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:31,520
um but it's a door right so it's like

1246
00:39:34,390 --> 00:39:32,880
is it one of those things where the

1247
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:34,400
government has gotten his hands on

1248
00:39:37,589 --> 00:39:35,280
something

1249
00:39:39,190 --> 00:39:37,599
but it's foreign tech it's not like

1250
00:39:40,630 --> 00:39:39,200
stargate where they just go in and they

1251
00:39:42,150 --> 00:39:40,640
just plug their laptop into a piece of

1252
00:39:44,069 --> 00:39:42,160
foreign technology and start tapping on

1253
00:39:47,589 --> 00:39:44,079
their laptop and stuff happens

1254
00:39:49,670 --> 00:39:47,599
it's like all right how does this work

1255
00:39:51,510 --> 00:39:49,680
and how do we not die in trying to

1256
00:39:52,069 --> 00:39:51,520
figure out how this works because you

1257
00:39:55,430 --> 00:39:52,079
never know

1258
00:39:57,910 --> 00:39:55,440
what if if that report is right

1259
00:39:59,589 --> 00:39:57,920
they may be using some kind of high

1260
00:40:00,950 --> 00:39:59,599
energy thing to change gravity or

1261
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:00,960
something in order to move the craft

1262
00:40:05,349 --> 00:40:03,119
in regards to the way the craft moves

1263
00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:05,359
and so what there's no way to know what

1264
00:40:08,550 --> 00:40:06,880
that would do and what that looks like

1265
00:40:09,670 --> 00:40:08,560
in regards to how they're managing to

1266
00:40:11,670 --> 00:40:09,680
figure that out

1267
00:40:13,510 --> 00:40:11,680
now are scientists gifted yes but if our

1268
00:40:15,750 --> 00:40:13,520
scientist doesn't even

1269
00:40:17,589 --> 00:40:15,760
accept some of the premises that the

1270
00:40:18,870 --> 00:40:17,599
technology is based on our scientists

1271
00:40:21,910 --> 00:40:18,880
are going to have a hard time figuring

1272
00:40:24,309 --> 00:40:21,920
that stuff out so look it is

1273
00:40:25,750 --> 00:40:24,319
amply possible that yes we recovered a

1274
00:40:26,309 --> 00:40:25,760
craft no we have no idea how that thing

1275
00:40:28,390 --> 00:40:26,319
works

1276
00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:28,400
and if grant cameron is right or if

1277
00:40:31,109 --> 00:40:29,520
bigelow is right where it's like it

1278
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:31,119
requires consciousness to do it

1279
00:40:35,030 --> 00:40:32,880
we don't even consider that part of the

1280
00:40:36,550 --> 00:40:35,040
equation yeah

1281
00:40:38,069 --> 00:40:36,560
like i've done remote viewing remote

1282
00:40:40,309 --> 00:40:38,079
viewing was one of my other things i was

1283
00:40:44,470 --> 00:40:40,319
testing out to see whether it worked

1284
00:40:46,390 --> 00:40:44,480
and um there is a there there

1285
00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:46,400
and it is very weird and the question

1286
00:40:50,950 --> 00:40:48,000
becomes

1287
00:40:52,730 --> 00:40:50,960
what if we had a civilization that

1288
00:40:53,910 --> 00:40:52,740
didn't have these kind of um

1289
00:40:56,069 --> 00:40:53,920
[Music]

1290
00:40:58,870 --> 00:40:56,079
this strength of this i believe that

1291
00:41:00,710 --> 00:40:58,880
okay thoughts are entirely in your head

1292
00:41:01,910 --> 00:41:00,720
okay what does it look like if your

1293
00:41:03,990 --> 00:41:01,920
science

1294
00:41:05,510 --> 00:41:04,000
studied that like what if your son has

1295
00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:05,520
never had the bias against that

1296
00:41:11,190 --> 00:41:08,560
and meaning if you actually did find out

1297
00:41:11,670 --> 00:41:11,200
hey there's something more to us than us

1298
00:41:21,349 --> 00:41:11,680
in

1299
00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:21,359
where just read your thoughts for the

1300
00:41:25,829 --> 00:41:24,000
craft itself we wouldn't even

1301
00:41:27,510 --> 00:41:25,839
know have it again i mean we don't have

1302
00:41:29,270 --> 00:41:27,520
it like we basically have like very

1303
00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:29,280
beginning level technology that can read

1304
00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:30,079
your thoughts like

1305
00:41:34,230 --> 00:41:32,880
um like mri scanners they could say okay

1306
00:41:35,750 --> 00:41:34,240
you're thinking of a cow right now yes

1307
00:41:38,069 --> 00:41:35,760
i'm thinking of a cow

1308
00:41:39,829 --> 00:41:38,079
you got that now but not something where

1309
00:41:42,069 --> 00:41:39,839
it's like you're

1310
00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:42,079
directing something with your thoughts i

1311
00:41:45,349 --> 00:41:43,440
mean we have craft

1312
00:41:46,710 --> 00:41:45,359
or we have technology where i remember

1313
00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:46,720
the military pilots

1314
00:41:51,589 --> 00:41:48,960
were working with their subconscious and

1315
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:51,599
they could find targets and stuff faster

1316
00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:53,520
whereas ship meaning the ship was

1317
00:41:55,910 --> 00:41:54,960
engaging in subconscious in a way where

1318
00:41:57,589 --> 00:41:55,920
it could pick up on

1319
00:41:59,589 --> 00:41:57,599
on stuff that they didn't have in their

1320
00:42:00,870 --> 00:41:59,599
conscious mind but it was there

1321
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:00,880
nonetheless they were picking up in a

1322
00:42:04,870 --> 00:42:03,200
subconscious way like stuff like that

1323
00:42:06,309 --> 00:42:04,880
but we're talking about something that

1324
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:06,319
we don't entirely

1325
00:42:09,990 --> 00:42:08,560
get and so it's very possible where it's

1326
00:42:11,430 --> 00:42:10,000
like

1327
00:42:12,550 --> 00:42:11,440
yeah we don't know how that works okay

1328
00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:12,560
we're going to investigate and we're

1329
00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:14,160
investigating we're investigating

1330
00:42:17,910 --> 00:42:16,400
and if bottles are no people hate bob

1331
00:42:19,109 --> 00:42:17,920
lazar but if he's right and it's like

1332
00:42:20,309 --> 00:42:19,119
okay we don't have a huge field of

1333
00:42:21,190 --> 00:42:20,319
people doing it and it's a small

1334
00:42:22,870 --> 00:42:21,200
compacted

1335
00:42:24,230 --> 00:42:22,880
yeah it may be stunted in regards to

1336
00:42:25,670 --> 00:42:24,240
what we know in science

1337
00:42:28,710 --> 00:42:25,680
but that's just it and that's kind of

1338
00:42:30,390 --> 00:42:28,720
the problem it's not transparent

1339
00:42:31,750 --> 00:42:30,400
it's not none of this is transparent

1340
00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:31,760
like it's not like

1341
00:42:35,349 --> 00:42:34,720
okay this is what we know we don't know

1342
00:42:37,829 --> 00:42:35,359
much

1343
00:42:39,990 --> 00:42:37,839
we found this et cetera et cetera it's

1344
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:40,000
real blah blah blah have a good day

1345
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:42,960
it's not that and it's not okay here's

1346
00:42:45,190 --> 00:42:44,640
the craft going at mach 10 and then

1347
00:42:47,670 --> 00:42:45,200
makes a

1348
00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:47,680
a 90 degree turn um and then plops into

1349
00:42:49,510 --> 00:42:48,880
the water and pops up and goes straight

1350
00:42:51,349 --> 00:42:49,520
into space

1351
00:42:53,109 --> 00:42:51,359
where people are like oh my god it's

1352
00:42:54,309 --> 00:42:53,119
like that meaning they're not trying to

1353
00:42:57,190 --> 00:42:54,319
shockingly break

1354
00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:57,200
and destroy um utterly annihilate your

1355
00:43:00,630 --> 00:42:59,280
paradigm all at once where it expands

1356
00:43:01,510 --> 00:43:00,640
into like a split second

1357
00:43:03,589 --> 00:43:01,520
because the moment that you have

1358
00:43:05,349 --> 00:43:03,599
technology like that oh my god oh my god

1359
00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:05,359
think of what's possible

1360
00:43:08,710 --> 00:43:07,200
at that point and instantaneously

1361
00:43:10,390 --> 00:43:08,720
possible and they're like yeah we're not

1362
00:43:12,870 --> 00:43:10,400
going to do that

1363
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:12,880
um maybe we're gonna bore the hell out

1364
00:43:16,230 --> 00:43:14,400
of people and do we say okay finally

1365
00:43:17,349 --> 00:43:16,240
it's not us and i go like yes goddamn

1366
00:43:19,829 --> 00:43:17,359
we hadn't already jumped to the bottom

1367
00:43:21,430 --> 00:43:19,839
of the movie

1368
00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:21,440
but but i hope you got a point though

1369
00:43:25,750 --> 00:43:22,960
it's it's very um

1370
00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:25,760
it's a very weird and heady thing that

1371
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:27,839
has just been added into our reality

1372
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:28,560
space

1373
00:43:31,829 --> 00:43:30,720
and i don't inquire entirely think that

1374
00:43:35,430 --> 00:43:31,839
people get it yet

1375
00:43:38,430 --> 00:43:35,440
like again even if it is us it still

1376
00:43:39,990 --> 00:43:38,440
breaks our paradigm us yeah

1377
00:43:42,550 --> 00:43:40,000
scientifically

1378
00:43:43,270 --> 00:43:42,560
philosophically politically everything

1379
00:43:45,589 --> 00:43:43,280
like this

1380
00:43:46,390 --> 00:43:45,599
this would change everything if we had

1381
00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:46,400
like

1382
00:43:51,109 --> 00:43:48,480
just the simple answer of where it comes

1383
00:43:53,750 --> 00:43:51,119
from well not so simple but

1384
00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:53,760
even if it is just us that's what we did

1385
00:43:57,910 --> 00:43:55,920
even if it was a situation where

1386
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:57,920
it's like all right we figured out a way

1387
00:44:03,829 --> 00:44:00,240
to use electricity

1388
00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:03,839
to mimic gravity even if it was that

1389
00:44:09,510 --> 00:44:06,960
that fossil fuels yeah yeah i mean

1390
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:09,520
that's that blows away a lot of stuff

1391
00:44:12,630 --> 00:44:10,800
that we've been using

1392
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:12,640
all of a sudden all at once that's what

1393
00:44:16,630 --> 00:44:14,319
i mean whether it's us or not

1394
00:44:17,829 --> 00:44:16,640
us it's groundbreaking it's paradigm

1395
00:44:19,190 --> 00:44:17,839
breaking like i don't need to jump to

1396
00:44:20,309 --> 00:44:19,200
the conclusion of aliens even though

1397
00:44:22,550 --> 00:44:20,319
clearly i think it's not

1398
00:44:24,069 --> 00:44:22,560
i don't think it's us but i don't need

1399
00:44:27,750 --> 00:44:24,079
to argue

1400
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:27,760
that breaks our paradigm by the way and

1401
00:44:31,829 --> 00:44:29,040
we need to figure out what it is

1402
00:44:33,030 --> 00:44:31,839
i love that that actually bleeds into my

1403
00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:33,040
first listener question

1404
00:44:37,270 --> 00:44:35,760
tomorrow if you don't mind um so you

1405
00:44:39,109 --> 00:44:37,280
know we talked about like this would be

1406
00:44:40,390 --> 00:44:39,119
paradigm shifting the technology being

1407
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:40,400
represented would

1408
00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:42,960
change everything so now we see like

1409
00:44:47,430 --> 00:44:44,160
china wants to do

1410
00:44:49,510 --> 00:44:47,440
like a uap task force maybe russia

1411
00:44:51,510 --> 00:44:49,520
other countries now want to be looking

1412
00:44:52,069 --> 00:44:51,520
into the stuff of course because america

1413
00:44:59,589 --> 00:44:52,079
is

1414
00:45:02,150 --> 00:44:59,599
of emerging science trying to harness

1415
00:45:04,710 --> 00:45:02,160
the technology these uap represent

1416
00:45:06,150 --> 00:45:04,720
and um you have america now saying it's

1417
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:06,160
not our secret tech

1418
00:45:09,270 --> 00:45:08,640
we don't think it's russian or china um

1419
00:45:11,349 --> 00:45:09,280
so

1420
00:45:12,790 --> 00:45:11,359
that doesn't leave many other answers

1421
00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:12,800
but um

1422
00:45:17,349 --> 00:45:14,880
let me read you this first listener

1423
00:45:19,109 --> 00:45:17,359
question from jeff he's a big supporter

1424
00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:19,119
of somewhere in the skies here he he

1425
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:20,640
asks do you think

1426
00:45:24,550 --> 00:45:23,520
that anti-china and russian sentiments

1427
00:45:26,790 --> 00:45:24,560
are becoming

1428
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:26,800
kind of like a neo-mccarthyism yes that

1429
00:45:29,750 --> 00:45:28,800
will actually limit disclosure and ufo

1430
00:45:32,470 --> 00:45:29,760
transparency

1431
00:45:33,270 --> 00:45:32,480
is this their way of kind of interesting

1432
00:45:35,430 --> 00:45:33,280
you know

1433
00:45:37,030 --> 00:45:35,440
i i mean painting a picture of our

1434
00:45:38,550 --> 00:45:37,040
adversaries i guess

1435
00:45:40,150 --> 00:45:38,560
so that's an interesting question i mean

1436
00:45:41,670 --> 00:45:40,160
like the uap thing

1437
00:45:43,270 --> 00:45:41,680
on some level you would think will force

1438
00:45:45,349 --> 00:45:43,280
the countries to work together

1439
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:45,359
or something like hope by uniform

1440
00:45:50,470 --> 00:45:46,400
because it's like

1441
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:50,480
how do you quantify like if you say

1442
00:45:54,470 --> 00:45:53,040
like the military is the entire context

1443
00:45:55,510 --> 00:45:54,480
of this is being shaped through almost a

1444
00:45:58,390 --> 00:45:55,520
national security

1445
00:45:59,910 --> 00:45:58,400
context and so if you say um okay we

1446
00:46:01,430 --> 00:45:59,920
have all of these sightings and we have

1447
00:46:03,349 --> 00:46:01,440
these sightings in these military bases

1448
00:46:05,349 --> 00:46:03,359
okay how do you know that that's

1449
00:46:06,470 --> 00:46:05,359
the majority of sightings like you could

1450
00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:06,480
be coming up with a

1451
00:46:09,829 --> 00:46:08,160
wrong conclusion based on your context

1452
00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:09,839
like a hammer looking for a nail

1453
00:46:13,349 --> 00:46:11,760
like you could say um okay they're

1454
00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:13,359
hanging around on nuclear facilities and

1455
00:46:15,190 --> 00:46:14,400
they're buzzing our ships and they're

1456
00:46:17,349 --> 00:46:15,200
doing this

1457
00:46:18,950 --> 00:46:17,359
but if you take a larger sampling just

1458
00:46:20,790 --> 00:46:18,960
say of all the united states and all the

1459
00:46:23,750 --> 00:46:20,800
sightings that may be a small subset

1460
00:46:24,870 --> 00:46:23,760
of the places where those um craft are

1461
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:24,880
may or may not be

1462
00:46:27,750 --> 00:46:26,160
but there's no way for you to know

1463
00:46:29,430 --> 00:46:27,760
unless you have a larger subset that is

1464
00:46:31,589 --> 00:46:29,440
beyond just the military

1465
00:46:32,470 --> 00:46:31,599
of capacities of your country um if

1466
00:46:34,470 --> 00:46:32,480
you're thinking about

1467
00:46:36,470 --> 00:46:34,480
that from the standpoint of earth which

1468
00:46:37,430 --> 00:46:36,480
again if you are trying to discern

1469
00:46:40,230 --> 00:46:37,440
whether it's

1470
00:46:40,950 --> 00:46:40,240
you or not you you're going to need more

1471
00:46:43,510 --> 00:46:40,960
than just

1472
00:46:44,870 --> 00:46:43,520
the people or just your country i mean

1473
00:46:46,309 --> 00:46:44,880
you have to discern whether it's russia

1474
00:46:47,670 --> 00:46:46,319
or china on some level you do have to

1475
00:46:49,030 --> 00:46:47,680
work with them in order to figure out

1476
00:46:51,270 --> 00:46:49,040
whether it's them or not

1477
00:46:53,349 --> 00:46:51,280
you can just make accusations like oh

1478
00:46:55,109 --> 00:46:53,359
it's you doing this and everything else

1479
00:46:56,550 --> 00:46:55,119
but the fact is they may be having the

1480
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:56,560
exact same

1481
00:47:00,790 --> 00:46:58,800
issue that you may be having and the

1482
00:47:04,069 --> 00:47:00,800
only way for you to really know that

1483
00:47:05,430 --> 00:47:04,079
is if you work with them to do so

1484
00:47:07,349 --> 00:47:05,440
and so it's like you would need that

1485
00:47:09,270 --> 00:47:07,359
capability of saying all right

1486
00:47:10,710 --> 00:47:09,280
are you guys having this issue yes okay

1487
00:47:11,510 --> 00:47:10,720
are you guys recording your sightings

1488
00:47:13,430 --> 00:47:11,520
yes okay

1489
00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:13,440
what happened and you need to correlate

1490
00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:16,800
that stuff by the same token

1491
00:47:20,630 --> 00:47:18,480
um domestic matters and everything else

1492
00:47:23,510 --> 00:47:20,640
are going to take priority now

1493
00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:23,520
and even like i said format now because

1494
00:47:26,710 --> 00:47:24,000
the uap

1495
00:47:27,109 --> 00:47:26,720
thing is not it's not real innocence of

1496
00:47:33,510 --> 00:47:27,119
real

1497
00:47:34,470 --> 00:47:33,520
that cold war stuff takes heavy uh much

1498
00:47:35,910 --> 00:47:34,480
more priority

1499
00:47:37,990 --> 00:47:35,920
meaning like for example the united

1500
00:47:40,549 --> 00:47:38,000
states considering china from the u.s

1501
00:47:41,589 --> 00:47:40,559
perspective anything that goes that is

1502
00:47:44,549 --> 00:47:41,599
taking

1503
00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:44,559
um our station either in a political

1504
00:47:52,549 --> 00:47:45,520
space

1505
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:52,559
challenge to what we consider to be our

1506
00:47:56,230 --> 00:47:53,040
domain

1507
00:47:58,870 --> 00:47:56,240
of world legibility and i think that's

1508
00:48:00,150 --> 00:47:58,880
true um in fact it's not that i think

1509
00:48:01,430 --> 00:48:00,160
it's true it is true

1510
00:48:04,230 --> 00:48:01,440
and so when you have somewhere like

1511
00:48:05,670 --> 00:48:04,240
russia or china our military policy on

1512
00:48:05,990 --> 00:48:05,680
some level was to not have any other

1513
00:48:07,270 --> 00:48:06,000
country

1514
00:48:09,349 --> 00:48:07,280
like the soviet union where they could

1515
00:48:10,390 --> 00:48:09,359
challenge our domain and so having a

1516
00:48:12,950 --> 00:48:10,400
country like china

1517
00:48:14,549 --> 00:48:12,960
get to the point of its tech dominance

1518
00:48:17,190 --> 00:48:14,559
so it's tech um growth

1519
00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:17,200
and its economic growth well economic

1520
00:48:19,910 --> 00:48:18,480
growth allows clout

1521
00:48:21,349 --> 00:48:19,920
and that level of cloud is not

1522
00:48:22,870 --> 00:48:21,359
necessarily something that we like on a

1523
00:48:24,950 --> 00:48:22,880
geopolitical stage

1524
00:48:26,309 --> 00:48:24,960
also beyond that point uh from stanford

1525
00:48:27,349 --> 00:48:26,319
russia with selling weapons and

1526
00:48:28,630 --> 00:48:27,359
everything else

1527
00:48:30,470 --> 00:48:28,640
it is no longer the country that

1528
00:48:31,430 --> 00:48:30,480
basically collapsed it is a country that

1529
00:48:32,950 --> 00:48:31,440
has basically

1530
00:48:34,309 --> 00:48:32,960
grown and developed the sense of zone

1531
00:48:35,109 --> 00:48:34,319
especially selling militaristic

1532
00:48:36,390 --> 00:48:35,119
capability

1533
00:48:38,390 --> 00:48:36,400
and so it's like those two countries

1534
00:48:40,870 --> 00:48:38,400
have basically fused themselves

1535
00:48:41,829 --> 00:48:40,880
because of the way we've attacked both

1536
00:48:44,390 --> 00:48:41,839
we've called what

1537
00:48:45,030 --> 00:48:44,400
is china's committee genocide oh my god

1538
00:48:47,030 --> 00:48:45,040
we've

1539
00:48:49,030 --> 00:48:47,040
called russia everything but a child of

1540
00:48:50,390 --> 00:48:49,040
god and now we're shocked that the two

1541
00:48:50,710 --> 00:48:50,400
countries have basically gotten closer

1542
00:48:53,270 --> 00:48:50,720
and

1543
00:48:54,549 --> 00:48:53,280
closer together so yeah from the

1544
00:48:56,230 --> 00:48:54,559
standpoint of us

1545
00:48:57,750 --> 00:48:56,240
look the hostilities honestly really

1546
00:48:58,710 --> 00:48:57,760
need to come down and i think that was

1547
00:49:01,109 --> 00:48:58,720
the meeting

1548
00:49:02,309 --> 00:49:01,119
between biden and putin from stanford of

1549
00:49:04,150 --> 00:49:02,319
china i don't

1550
00:49:05,829 --> 00:49:04,160
know i mean like that's the wild card

1551
00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:05,839
with a lot of the stuff

1552
00:49:09,910 --> 00:49:08,880
how does the ufo issue hit if it really

1553
00:49:12,150 --> 00:49:09,920
hits

1554
00:49:14,069 --> 00:49:12,160
and does that throw all of the stuff on

1555
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:14,079
the sidelines where it's like okay yeah

1556
00:49:18,549 --> 00:49:14,880
i know this stuff

1557
00:49:20,549 --> 00:49:18,559
was important but this is now less so

1558
00:49:21,589 --> 00:49:20,559
but it depends on how it hits i mean if

1559
00:49:23,109 --> 00:49:21,599
it's kind of just stays in the

1560
00:49:24,230 --> 00:49:23,119
background then no the issue is not

1561
00:49:25,510 --> 00:49:24,240
going to have any kind of relevance in

1562
00:49:27,190 --> 00:49:25,520
regards to the way they're talking at

1563
00:49:28,069 --> 00:49:27,200
least not on an overt level that we know

1564
00:49:31,109 --> 00:49:28,079
about

1565
00:49:32,470 --> 00:49:31,119
um but if it does it if it does hit

1566
00:49:34,630 --> 00:49:32,480
then that's different i don't know what

1567
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:34,640
that looks like like i honestly know

1568
00:49:38,549 --> 00:49:35,760
like i don't know what it looks like on

1569
00:49:40,230 --> 00:49:38,559
a day where it's like aliens are real

1570
00:49:41,589 --> 00:49:40,240
and people are like you know freaking

1571
00:49:43,430 --> 00:49:41,599
out some people like dancing on the

1572
00:49:44,950 --> 00:49:43,440
ceilings and stuff like that

1573
00:49:46,790 --> 00:49:44,960
other people are like just terrified and

1574
00:49:47,589 --> 00:49:46,800
buying guns it's like gun purchases of

1575
00:49:49,670 --> 00:49:47,599
skyrocketing

1576
00:49:51,670 --> 00:49:49,680
fifty percent that type of stuff yeah oh

1577
00:49:53,190 --> 00:49:51,680
yeah i don't know man it's a complicated

1578
00:49:56,950 --> 00:49:53,200
question that's a good question

1579
00:49:58,790 --> 00:49:56,960
it is there's a lot a lot to it um

1580
00:50:00,150 --> 00:49:58,800
well okay here's one more political

1581
00:50:03,190 --> 00:50:00,160
listener question for you

1582
00:50:04,549 --> 00:50:03,200
uap technician on twitter asks in this

1583
00:50:07,190 --> 00:50:04,559
political climate

1584
00:50:08,470 --> 00:50:07,200
could a politician run on a uap

1585
00:50:10,870 --> 00:50:08,480
disclosure ticket

1586
00:50:12,549 --> 00:50:10,880
or promote a partial disclosure platform

1587
00:50:15,190 --> 00:50:12,559
and still be successful

1588
00:50:16,230 --> 00:50:15,200
but what they can do is run with this

1589
00:50:17,829 --> 00:50:16,240
notion of

1590
00:50:19,109 --> 00:50:17,839
look this is the national security issue

1591
00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:19,119
that we didn't know about that's the

1592
00:50:22,390 --> 00:50:19,920
issue that they

1593
00:50:24,470 --> 00:50:22,400
are on but not as a major issue like

1594
00:50:26,470 --> 00:50:24,480
rubio can't come on and say

1595
00:50:27,990 --> 00:50:26,480
i think aliens are real can never say it

1596
00:50:29,510 --> 00:50:28,000
rubio will come close

1597
00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:29,520
and he will come out in his document

1598
00:50:33,270 --> 00:50:31,680
saying now that this report is out again

1599
00:50:35,109 --> 00:50:33,280
report is a thing that allows a

1600
00:50:36,549 --> 00:50:35,119
diffusion of responsibility so he

1601
00:50:38,790 --> 00:50:36,559
doesn't have to take it all on his own

1602
00:50:39,990 --> 00:50:38,800
now that this report is out and all of

1603
00:50:42,710 --> 00:50:40,000
these agencies have signed

1604
00:50:44,150 --> 00:50:42,720
up to this report we and our brave men

1605
00:50:45,829 --> 00:50:44,160
and women have been reporting these

1606
00:50:46,549 --> 00:50:45,839
sightings for all of these years that

1607
00:50:47,990 --> 00:50:46,559
it's truthful

1608
00:50:49,910 --> 00:50:48,000
meaning right off the bat now he could

1609
00:50:52,390 --> 00:50:49,920
say what they've been reporting is real

1610
00:50:54,069 --> 00:50:52,400
he can say it now report is that um he

1611
00:50:55,750 --> 00:50:54,079
would get to there

1612
00:50:57,829 --> 00:50:55,760
but you can't say aliens are real and

1613
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:57,839
when it want to see you can't do that

1614
00:51:01,430 --> 00:51:00,000
like it's too i mean you could be

1615
00:51:02,470 --> 00:51:01,440
castigated in too many ways

1616
00:51:04,069 --> 00:51:02,480
like you could have your opponents

1617
00:51:04,549 --> 00:51:04,079
putting out like giggle factor stuff in

1618
00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:04,559
order to

1619
00:51:08,069 --> 00:51:06,160
like screw with the opponent like screw

1620
00:51:08,870 --> 00:51:08,079
with you you can't do it what you can do

1621
00:51:10,710 --> 00:51:08,880
though is say

1622
00:51:12,549 --> 00:51:10,720
look this is a clear national security

1623
00:51:13,750 --> 00:51:12,559
issue our intelligence services back

1624
00:51:15,510 --> 00:51:13,760
this up and we need to

1625
00:51:17,430 --> 00:51:15,520
see what this is you can do that and you

1626
00:51:18,150 --> 00:51:17,440
can run on whatever campaign you're

1627
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:18,160
doing

1628
00:51:21,589 --> 00:51:20,160
with that phoenix side issue and rubio

1629
00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:21,599
is going to be the test he's running in

1630
00:51:24,790 --> 00:51:23,280
this campaign now and his campaign is

1631
00:51:26,150 --> 00:51:24,800
basically that

1632
00:51:27,430 --> 00:51:26,160
if this is national security we need to

1633
00:51:28,710 --> 00:51:27,440
do that now the question is is his

1634
00:51:30,549 --> 00:51:28,720
opponent going to hit him on that

1635
00:51:32,470 --> 00:51:30,559
this is going to ask him questions and

1636
00:51:35,109 --> 00:51:32,480
answer questions on it herself

1637
00:51:36,630 --> 00:51:35,119
and so i don't vote republican i'm not

1638
00:51:38,470 --> 00:51:36,640
in florida but this is one of those

1639
00:51:39,990 --> 00:51:38,480
cases where i'm like oh god i

1640
00:51:41,829 --> 00:51:40,000
kind of don't want rubio to lose that

1641
00:51:43,670 --> 00:51:41,839
seat

1642
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:43,680
and you lose let's see it's like that

1643
00:51:47,349 --> 00:51:45,599
one it's like i'm not a single issue

1644
00:51:48,710 --> 00:51:47,359
voter but on this i feel like oh we

1645
00:51:50,790 --> 00:51:48,720
could we could take the hit on other

1646
00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:50,800
issues rubio needs to stay there

1647
00:51:55,910 --> 00:51:54,240
it's like that um but yeah i mean

1648
00:51:57,910 --> 00:51:55,920
i i don't think you can run with it as a

1649
00:51:59,270 --> 00:51:57,920
singular issue no i do think you can run

1650
00:52:01,910 --> 00:51:59,280
with it as a secondary issue

1651
00:52:03,030 --> 00:52:01,920
yes okay well kind of playing off of

1652
00:52:05,670 --> 00:52:03,040
that um

1653
00:52:06,549 --> 00:52:05,680
last last political question i promise

1654
00:52:09,430 --> 00:52:06,559
oh you're fine

1655
00:52:10,309 --> 00:52:09,440
so like you know it it's no it's pretty

1656
00:52:12,069 --> 00:52:10,319
obvious

1657
00:52:14,230 --> 00:52:12,079
when you look at like who's really

1658
00:52:16,230 --> 00:52:14,240
covering the uap topic and the

1659
00:52:17,750 --> 00:52:16,240
mainstream media the most and the last

1660
00:52:19,589 --> 00:52:17,760
winners the ones that are covering them

1661
00:52:20,870 --> 00:52:19,599
thank you that is my question why is

1662
00:52:23,349 --> 00:52:20,880
this a right-wing

1663
00:52:24,150 --> 00:52:23,359
thing mostly um why are they willing to

1664
00:52:26,150 --> 00:52:24,160
go there

1665
00:52:27,510 --> 00:52:26,160
and uh yeah why do you think that is why

1666
00:52:29,990 --> 00:52:27,520
aren't more uh

1667
00:52:30,870 --> 00:52:30,000
democrats or people on the left really

1668
00:52:32,710 --> 00:52:30,880
cover this

1669
00:52:35,109 --> 00:52:32,720
man i've thought about this and i am not

1670
00:52:36,630 --> 00:52:35,119
entirely sure i think my first thought

1671
00:52:38,549 --> 00:52:36,640
paul the hell if i'm being bluntly

1672
00:52:42,309 --> 00:52:38,559
honest the left

1673
00:52:44,790 --> 00:52:42,319
are more empathetic and care more about

1674
00:52:46,710 --> 00:52:44,800
specific issues so right for example the

1675
00:52:47,270 --> 00:52:46,720
left would say people should have health

1676
00:52:48,870 --> 00:52:47,280
care

1677
00:52:50,309 --> 00:52:48,880
and they would cry on the flag for

1678
00:52:51,430 --> 00:52:50,319
people to have health care or they would

1679
00:52:52,870 --> 00:52:51,440
say people should have

1680
00:52:54,870 --> 00:52:52,880
social security people should have et

1681
00:52:56,150 --> 00:52:54,880
cetera and in doing so what they're

1682
00:52:58,069 --> 00:52:56,160
basically is bathing in

1683
00:52:59,430 --> 00:52:58,079
the pain over and i'm not saying that in

1684
00:53:00,150 --> 00:52:59,440
a negative i'm just saying this is the

1685
00:53:03,510 --> 00:53:00,160
way

1686
00:53:05,030 --> 00:53:03,520
we look at the world there's pain in the

1687
00:53:06,470 --> 00:53:05,040
world we need to lessen the pain in the

1688
00:53:08,150 --> 00:53:06,480
world we need to deal with these things

1689
00:53:11,190 --> 00:53:08,160
that are tangible physical

1690
00:53:14,230 --> 00:53:11,200
and get rid of um the the

1691
00:53:17,109 --> 00:53:14,240
you know the rough edges of our society

1692
00:53:17,430 --> 00:53:17,119
um and if you're thinking in those terms

1693
00:53:20,470 --> 00:53:17,440
then

1694
00:53:22,309 --> 00:53:20,480
aliens might not apply like it's it's so

1695
00:53:24,150 --> 00:53:22,319
straightforward in regards to

1696
00:53:25,430 --> 00:53:24,160
this person is in pain this person is an

1697
00:53:26,390 --> 00:53:25,440
injury i need to get rid of that pain

1698
00:53:27,670 --> 00:53:26,400
somehow i need to

1699
00:53:29,589 --> 00:53:27,680
ensure that person has money in their

1700
00:53:31,750 --> 00:53:29,599
pocket and you sure the elderly person

1701
00:53:33,349 --> 00:53:31,760
has a decent life that type of stuff and

1702
00:53:34,870 --> 00:53:33,359
so it's like when you get to aliens that

1703
00:53:36,470 --> 00:53:34,880
stuff is wool it's kind of

1704
00:53:38,549 --> 00:53:36,480
out there it's almost like a religious

1705
00:53:40,150 --> 00:53:38,559
thing um in the way that they may frame

1706
00:53:41,910 --> 00:53:40,160
it or look at it in their heads

1707
00:53:43,589 --> 00:53:41,920
the right wing doesn't have that issue i

1708
00:53:46,230 --> 00:53:43,599
mean they're less inclined

1709
00:53:47,349 --> 00:53:46,240
of okay they're hungry people yeah so

1710
00:53:49,670 --> 00:53:47,359
what

1711
00:53:51,910 --> 00:53:49,680
um and so you get to the ufo thing and

1712
00:53:54,549 --> 00:53:51,920
it's like hey that's interesting

1713
00:53:54,950 --> 00:53:54,559
like i i look i am totally spitballing i

1714
00:53:57,510 --> 00:53:54,960
am

1715
00:53:58,069 --> 00:53:57,520
talking out of my ass but that's the way

1716
00:54:31,109 --> 00:53:58,079
i

1717
00:54:33,030 --> 00:54:31,119
uh lou over at uh ucr wanted to know

1718
00:54:34,230 --> 00:54:33,040
like what are your colleagues at fault

1719
00:54:36,870 --> 00:54:34,240
lines um

1720
00:54:37,990 --> 00:54:36,880
and everyone think about your kind of

1721
00:54:40,390 --> 00:54:38,000
aggressive

1722
00:54:41,190 --> 00:54:40,400
curiosity in this topic in there what

1723
00:54:42,710 --> 00:54:41,200
you guys think

1724
00:54:44,630 --> 00:54:42,720
of curiosity i love that that's how you

1725
00:54:45,750 --> 00:54:44,640
lose that's how we framed it i'm not

1726
00:54:48,470 --> 00:54:45,760
saying it's aggressive

1727
00:54:49,270 --> 00:54:48,480
no no it is it's damn aggressive and i

1728
00:54:52,470 --> 00:54:49,280
think that's good

1729
00:54:53,109 --> 00:54:52,480
yeah um i so i think i'm the only one on

1730
00:54:56,150 --> 00:54:53,119
the network

1731
00:54:57,829 --> 00:54:56,160
that really like hit that bell hard

1732
00:54:58,950 --> 00:54:57,839
and i didn't know what my boss done i

1733
00:54:59,750 --> 00:54:58,960
was like all right i'm not gonna say

1734
00:55:02,069 --> 00:54:59,760
anything to him

1735
00:55:03,910 --> 00:55:02,079
if he says something to me fair enough

1736
00:55:06,150 --> 00:55:03,920
but they bought me on the channel

1737
00:55:07,430 --> 00:55:06,160
they knew i had my own channel for like

1738
00:55:08,150 --> 00:55:07,440
three years before i ever came on the

1739
00:55:11,270 --> 00:55:08,160
channel

1740
00:55:11,589 --> 00:55:11,280
and they knew what i covered in coming

1741
00:55:15,030 --> 00:55:11,599
on

1742
00:55:16,390 --> 00:55:15,040
push you to cover anything believe it or

1743
00:55:19,430 --> 00:55:16,400
not you cover whatever you want

1744
00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:19,440
it's you right and but you need to be

1745
00:55:22,630 --> 00:55:20,400
able to cover like

1746
00:55:23,670 --> 00:55:22,640
recent news and whatever position you

1747
00:55:24,549 --> 00:55:23,680
take you need to be able to defend the

1748
00:55:28,069 --> 00:55:24,559
position

1749
00:55:31,510 --> 00:55:28,079
that's the main top thing right um and

1750
00:55:32,230 --> 00:55:31,520
so i sheepishly started going into the

1751
00:55:33,670 --> 00:55:32,240
ufo stuff

1752
00:55:35,910 --> 00:55:33,680
and i was pretty defensive about it

1753
00:55:37,349 --> 00:55:35,920
actually i remember when um

1754
00:55:39,589 --> 00:55:37,359
when shane and i first started working

1755
00:55:42,150 --> 00:55:39,599
together and the ufo thing came up

1756
00:55:43,910 --> 00:55:42,160
and i was like yeah man well i'm gonna

1757
00:55:44,230 --> 00:55:43,920
cover this topic if you don't like it we

1758
00:55:45,670 --> 00:55:44,240
can go

1759
00:55:47,510 --> 00:55:45,680
to the management and talk about like it

1760
00:55:49,589 --> 00:55:47,520
was like hardcore it was like whoa

1761
00:55:50,549 --> 00:55:49,599
whoa and i was like all right bring it

1762
00:55:51,990 --> 00:55:50,559
down tone it down

1763
00:55:53,670 --> 00:55:52,000
it's not that bad it's not that serious

1764
00:55:55,510 --> 00:55:53,680
that's not that serious

1765
00:55:56,789 --> 00:55:55,520
like it's like spoiling for a fight over

1766
00:55:58,549 --> 00:55:56,799
right um

1767
00:56:00,309 --> 00:55:58,559
shane was in a position of like all

1768
00:56:03,589 --> 00:56:00,319
right i don't buy this

1769
00:56:05,829 --> 00:56:03,599
however i'm open to hearing you out

1770
00:56:07,109 --> 00:56:05,839
and as i would make one argument after

1771
00:56:08,710 --> 00:56:07,119
the next he would be like

1772
00:56:10,710 --> 00:56:08,720
all right it sounds like this is there

1773
00:56:12,549 --> 00:56:10,720
there too but i'm not entirely there

1774
00:56:14,069 --> 00:56:12,559
when the ufo report came out he says all

1775
00:56:15,670 --> 00:56:14,079
right you're not crazy

1776
00:56:17,349 --> 00:56:15,680
you're not crazy he's like all right

1777
00:56:19,109 --> 00:56:17,359
fair enough there's a [\h__\h] there

1778
00:56:20,710 --> 00:56:19,119
and he says everybody would have to be

1779
00:56:21,750 --> 00:56:20,720
lying for this to be wrong like he got

1780
00:56:23,510 --> 00:56:21,760
he was there

1781
00:56:24,789 --> 00:56:23,520
and he was like by process of

1782
00:56:26,950 --> 00:56:24,799
elimination

1783
00:56:28,549 --> 00:56:26,960
i don't think it's us like it was that

1784
00:56:30,230 --> 00:56:28,559
right it was like meaning

1785
00:56:31,750 --> 00:56:30,240
by one argument after the next he was

1786
00:56:32,230 --> 00:56:31,760
brought into this notion of okay fair

1787
00:56:34,549 --> 00:56:32,240
enough

1788
00:56:35,670 --> 00:56:34,559
he was never scathingly against it but

1789
00:56:37,510 --> 00:56:35,680
he became more

1790
00:56:38,630 --> 00:56:37,520
is okay fair enough i think this is

1791
00:56:39,430 --> 00:56:38,640
there there i don't know what it is but

1792
00:56:42,309 --> 00:56:39,440
there's a day out there

1793
00:56:43,109 --> 00:56:42,319
fair enough he became there um my boss

1794
00:56:44,230 --> 00:56:43,119
was more like

1795
00:56:46,390 --> 00:56:44,240
yeah they don't know what the [\h__\h] that

1796
00:56:47,990 --> 00:56:46,400
is i was like whoa

1797
00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:48,000
fair enough i can accept that i can

1798
00:56:51,030 --> 00:56:49,680
accept that i was like i'm good with

1799
00:56:52,470 --> 00:56:51,040
that like i don't need you to jump like

1800
00:56:54,150 --> 00:56:52,480
i said i don't need people

1801
00:56:55,510 --> 00:56:54,160
to jump to the conclusion they're aliens

1802
00:56:56,710 --> 00:56:55,520
i just need people to realize that

1803
00:56:57,589 --> 00:56:56,720
they're there and that there's a

1804
00:57:00,870 --> 00:56:57,599
question

1805
00:57:02,390 --> 00:57:00,880
answered and you need to

1806
00:57:03,829 --> 00:57:02,400
understand and answer the question based

1807
00:57:04,710 --> 00:57:03,839
on the facts that we have available to

1808
00:57:06,470 --> 00:57:04,720
us meaning

1809
00:57:08,309 --> 00:57:06,480
you need to explain that case you need

1810
00:57:08,870 --> 00:57:08,319
to explain all of the data associated

1811
00:57:10,630 --> 00:57:08,880
with that case

1812
00:57:12,710 --> 00:57:10,640
you need to come to a conclusion and it

1813
00:57:13,109 --> 00:57:12,720
can't be you know magic like it's none

1814
00:57:15,349 --> 00:57:13,119
of us

1815
00:57:16,150 --> 00:57:15,359
it's not it's not us not the russians

1816
00:57:18,150 --> 00:57:16,160
that's chinese

1817
00:57:20,309 --> 00:57:18,160
it's not aliens not anything it's like

1818
00:57:21,990 --> 00:57:20,319
all right dude they've just established

1819
00:57:23,589 --> 00:57:22,000
as if they are there so that's not one

1820
00:57:26,309 --> 00:57:23,599
of the options you need to choose

1821
00:57:27,910 --> 00:57:26,319
one of the options yeah like it's that

1822
00:57:29,670 --> 00:57:27,920
no they were they weren't

1823
00:57:30,710 --> 00:57:29,680
nobody stressed me on that in fact they

1824
00:57:31,990 --> 00:57:30,720
stopped bringing me on their show to

1825
00:57:34,710 --> 00:57:32,000
talk about it

1826
00:57:35,349 --> 00:57:34,720
cool i love hearing that well yeah all

1827
00:57:38,870 --> 00:57:35,359
right well

1828
00:57:41,270 --> 00:57:38,880
okay last personal question for you um

1829
00:57:43,109 --> 00:57:41,280
people get involved with this topic for

1830
00:57:44,470 --> 00:57:43,119
you know their own reasons some people

1831
00:57:47,589 --> 00:57:44,480
had an experience

1832
00:57:50,069 --> 00:57:47,599
some just have a burning curiosity um

1833
00:57:51,510 --> 00:57:50,079
or yeah there's so many reasons to be

1834
00:57:54,789 --> 00:57:51,520
interested in ufos

1835
00:57:57,190 --> 00:57:54,799
yeah so like what what do you want out

1836
00:57:59,510 --> 00:57:57,200
of this tomorrow the entire ufo

1837
00:58:01,270 --> 00:57:59,520
question um and where we're at right now

1838
00:58:03,270 --> 00:58:01,280
what do you want do you want answers

1839
00:58:04,789 --> 00:58:03,280
yeah i want to know what's true yeah

1840
00:58:06,390 --> 00:58:04,799
yeah i mean it's that

1841
00:58:08,390 --> 00:58:06,400
now the catch becomes you know can you

1842
00:58:09,750 --> 00:58:08,400
handle the truth i just want to know

1843
00:58:11,270 --> 00:58:09,760
what's true i think people are pretty

1844
00:58:14,710 --> 00:58:11,280
adaptable and flexible

1845
00:58:16,549 --> 00:58:14,720
um in regards to how they deal with that

1846
00:58:18,630 --> 00:58:16,559
information at least that's what i think

1847
00:58:19,589 --> 00:58:18,640
i mean why do why does anybody want

1848
00:58:22,150 --> 00:58:19,599
anything right it's

1849
00:58:22,710 --> 00:58:22,160
that stuff at one point like i said i

1850
00:58:25,990 --> 00:58:22,720
had this

1851
00:58:27,750 --> 00:58:26,000
burning desire to know

1852
00:58:29,270 --> 00:58:27,760
like it was it was like weird it was

1853
00:58:30,309 --> 00:58:29,280
heady it was out of the blue it was

1854
00:58:32,390 --> 00:58:30,319
pretty intense

1855
00:58:33,829 --> 00:58:32,400
and it was like what's true what's true

1856
00:58:35,190 --> 00:58:33,839
and it became that

1857
00:58:36,789 --> 00:58:35,200
and that's kind of where i am with this

1858
00:58:37,190 --> 00:58:36,799
i want to know what's true i've become

1859
00:58:40,630 --> 00:58:37,200
less

1860
00:58:43,270 --> 00:58:40,640
um i become more pensive about it

1861
00:58:43,829 --> 00:58:43,280
if that makes sense like just because

1862
00:58:45,670 --> 00:58:43,839
now

1863
00:58:47,270 --> 00:58:45,680
this stuff is in physical matter reality

1864
00:58:48,950 --> 00:58:47,280
like this is not like

1865
00:58:50,870 --> 00:58:48,960
oh we're just thinking about these

1866
00:58:52,710 --> 00:58:50,880
things and talking about if disclosure

1867
00:58:54,630 --> 00:58:52,720
happens etc etc

1868
00:58:55,990 --> 00:58:54,640
well you have just had confirmation and

1869
00:58:57,750 --> 00:58:56,000
you've had your government basically

1870
00:58:59,190 --> 00:58:57,760
change its systems in order to accrue

1871
00:59:01,670 --> 00:58:59,200
data and everything else

1872
00:59:02,309 --> 00:59:01,680
over ufos basically an x-files division

1873
00:59:04,150 --> 00:59:02,319
created

1874
00:59:05,670 --> 00:59:04,160
and done so in the open with all of the

1875
00:59:07,190 --> 00:59:05,680
intelligence services signing up saying

1876
00:59:09,030 --> 00:59:07,200
yes this is us

1877
00:59:10,230 --> 00:59:09,040
like i said melon just released another

1878
00:59:13,670 --> 00:59:10,240
document

1879
00:59:16,549 --> 00:59:13,680
giving basically technical information

1880
00:59:18,069 --> 00:59:16,559
of an assessment of the nimitz thing um

1881
00:59:20,549 --> 00:59:18,079
your government seems to be

1882
00:59:22,549 --> 00:59:20,559
doing this and so it's like now this is

1883
00:59:23,589 --> 00:59:22,559
real anything that happens is real if

1884
00:59:26,069 --> 00:59:23,599
you spook the public

1885
00:59:28,069 --> 00:59:26,079
that's real if you go out screaming on

1886
00:59:29,589 --> 00:59:28,079
fox news that aliens are eating babies

1887
00:59:31,349 --> 00:59:29,599
or attacking america

1888
00:59:32,870 --> 00:59:31,359
that's real especially if they take it

1889
00:59:35,270 --> 00:59:32,880
and they run with it and they

1890
00:59:36,069 --> 00:59:35,280
they get stuck with that point of view

1891
00:59:39,349 --> 00:59:36,079
as this

1892
00:59:41,349 --> 00:59:39,359
happens meaning it's no longer this um

1893
00:59:43,030 --> 00:59:41,359
conceptual thing anymore everything that

1894
00:59:44,230 --> 00:59:43,040
happens from the standpoint this point

1895
00:59:46,950 --> 00:59:44,240
performed

1896
00:59:47,910 --> 00:59:46,960
on this topic it's legit and if people

1897
00:59:49,670 --> 00:59:47,920
want to make the argument about the

1898
00:59:51,510 --> 00:59:49,680
alien hypothesis fair enough

1899
00:59:53,109 --> 00:59:51,520
and if that hypothesis come to be come

1900
00:59:55,030 --> 00:59:53,119
to fruition fair enough

1901
00:59:57,030 --> 00:59:55,040
but again you're stuck with the paradigm

1902
00:59:57,670 --> 00:59:57,040
shift i think that's the part that's

1903
00:59:59,349 --> 00:59:57,680
that's

1904
01:00:01,109 --> 00:59:59,359
mind-blowing to me and it's like the

1905
01:00:03,589 --> 01:00:01,119
ramifications of it are so big

1906
01:00:05,510 --> 01:00:03,599
that it's hard to wrap your head around

1907
01:00:07,109 --> 01:00:05,520
it it's like everything from science

1908
01:00:10,390 --> 01:00:07,119
technology engineering

1909
01:00:12,950 --> 01:00:10,400
um philosophy hue humanity hue

1910
01:00:14,630 --> 01:00:12,960
who humanity is in the grand scheme of

1911
01:00:15,990 --> 01:00:14,640
this kind of larger space as opposed to

1912
01:00:18,630 --> 01:00:16,000
being a single actor

1913
01:00:19,349 --> 01:00:18,640
dancing about on stage um on a cosmic

1914
01:00:21,030 --> 01:00:19,359
stage

1915
01:00:22,549 --> 01:00:21,040
like all of that stuff changes what does

1916
01:00:24,069 --> 01:00:22,559
it mean for science to tech i mean even

1917
01:00:25,510 --> 01:00:24,079
in the best of circumstances you're

1918
01:00:27,990 --> 01:00:25,520
probably looking at a world that starts

1919
01:00:31,990 --> 01:00:28,000
to get closer together in regards to

1920
01:00:34,470 --> 01:00:32,000
organization not people

1921
01:00:35,990 --> 01:00:34,480
governmental forces even this notion of

1922
01:00:38,069 --> 01:00:36,000
okay how are we going to accrue the

1923
01:00:38,390 --> 01:00:38,079
resources of the planet in order to deal

1924
01:00:40,710 --> 01:00:38,400
with

1925
01:00:42,069 --> 01:00:40,720
planetary threats meaning under the best

1926
01:00:44,150 --> 01:00:42,079
of circumstances military

1927
01:00:45,750 --> 01:00:44,160
is going to get a huge amount of cash

1928
01:00:47,030 --> 01:00:45,760
meaning it doesn't have to be

1929
01:00:48,950 --> 01:00:47,040
we're doing this for the military to get

1930
01:00:49,750 --> 01:00:48,960
a bunch of cash for the military to get

1931
01:00:51,910 --> 01:00:49,760
a bunch of cash

1932
01:00:53,670 --> 01:00:51,920
as it comes up and realizes oh my god

1933
01:00:54,950 --> 01:00:53,680
we're so far behind we have to catch up

1934
01:00:56,390 --> 01:00:54,960
we have to catch up

1935
01:00:58,069 --> 01:00:56,400
science technology all this stuff is

1936
01:00:58,710 --> 01:00:58,079
going to radically change what the world

1937
01:01:01,190 --> 01:00:58,720
looks like

1938
01:01:02,630 --> 01:01:01,200
after that i have no goddamn clue and

1939
01:01:04,870 --> 01:01:02,640
that's kind of my point like it's a

1940
01:01:06,069 --> 01:01:04,880
paradigm shift in in epic proportions

1941
01:01:08,549 --> 01:01:06,079
what does it look like

1942
01:01:09,430 --> 01:01:08,559
when a person can you know live in china

1943
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and work in

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new york because the the device gets it

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from point a to point b

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in let's say 10 minutes or 20 minutes

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because of the speed at which they can

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go from point a to point b

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what does it look like for laws um in

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regards to

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space um like all of that stuff changes

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how do we

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engage with something if we don't

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necessarily even know what the thing is

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because just because we realize okay

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there's something there doesn't mean

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we're engaging with them

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like it doesn't mean that we're oh we're

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making open contact

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no that doesn't mean that at all it just

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means that they are there

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okay there's something we don't know

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what that something is

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like you say we may not have any clue on

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what that stuff is

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meaning the government might be in the

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dark itself

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i still think the government is always

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going to withhold certain bits of

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information but

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it may be in the dark to a greater

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degree than we think they're in the dark

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and so all of that stuff just changes

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like i like we don't even know

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how they got here we don't even know if

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they were already here

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um as we evolved meaning that stuff

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might have just been hey

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no we've always been here underwater

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we're not from elsewhere like all that

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stuff is in the dark

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and i think the weirdest part is what

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does humanity become

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after that and knowing i mean physics

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think

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of physics for the moment you you have a

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situation where physicists are saying

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all right

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if something is here and something is

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doing what they say it's doing and we

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accept that

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okay we need to explain that well what

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does it mean when physics get an answer

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to a question they didn't even know

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existed and what does it look like for

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the technology that's created when they

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do it and yes a lot of this stuff is

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going to get dumped in the military

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because they're going to

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in their heads we got to play catch up

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we got to play catch-up and the neocons

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of the world are going to be like we

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can't

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play second fiddle to these alien

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civilizations that's

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visiting earth and trespassing on our

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secret airspace so whatever they're

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going to say

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um but they are going to want to play

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ketchup they're not going to want to sit

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there

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and have something that is grotesquely

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our technology and when we find out and

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figure out how this stuff is done and we

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will figure out how this stuff is done

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oh my god and what does your world look

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like

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and by the way and that's not just for

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military that falls all the way down

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through your society even in the way you

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see each other

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i mean how does earth see itself at that

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point when it knows

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like it's just very wild and very heady

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to think about and that's been put on

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the table

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that's the point that's the point i'm

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trying to make like for whatever reason

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the left doesn't entirely

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um get the gravity of what has just been

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added

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to the table of possibilities it's that

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and even if you say okay well let's

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assume that it's us okay fair enough

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but you just have still technology that

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is doing something that you need to

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figure out what it's doing and

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somebody's using it and they need to

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explain who's using it

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it's that type of stuff so no man i i

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think the gravity of this is phenomenal

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it is and the questions are being asked

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like you said and they never were before

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so no

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i i i never asked before because it was

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never real

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that's what i'm making like the ufo

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community hates

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that it's like yeah dude we already knew

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that but the rest of the world

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did they just made it this is real this

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is they are there to this

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and so the questions are being asked now

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because now you're talking about a real

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thing

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yep it's different title of the episode

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there is a there there i love it

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last question of course tomorrow i gotta

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ask where can we find everything you're

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up to man

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and um yeah what do you got going on

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lately if there's anything interesting

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my youtube channel uh okay that's at

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jamarl thomas that's

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just my name um and i do fault lines

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that's on radio sputnik that's here in

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washington dc

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um and of course i try to you know i've

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been

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graciously added to the ufo community so

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part of ufo twitter and all that stuff

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and so you can see me at the prague

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soapbox on twitter

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perfect and dude if i can say anything

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it's so refreshing

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and it's so awesome to have you in our

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community now

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we have desperately needed new faces and

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new voices

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and new questions being asked of these

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phenomena that uh

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you know we haven't found answers to in

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the last 70 years so thank you for

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asking those tough questions

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thank you for approaching this topic the

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way you have and uh

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thank you for joining me today thank you

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man i appreciate this

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so

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